Wish they would just revert Clown back to his old self
He is so boring and annoying to play as.
He barely has map pressure and most of his add-ons use the antidote which by the way I rarely see Clown players use because what's the point survivors get a massive buff plus all you get a speed boost to movement speed while also not getting a boost to anything else.
I stopped playing Clown and only used him for his archive other then that not a single other time because out of every killer including Skull Merchant his power is just...boring it was good at the start since there were some good add-ons but now he just sucks.
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Clown don't have map pressure for sure, but honestly I think he is rather on the good side when it comes to chases.
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Clown was better for a lot of us the way he was compared to the way he is now. Don't matter how good something is if we don't like using it to begin with. That's how I feel about antidote bottles, sure they can be interesting, but I don't use them and I addons I used all the time and were comfortable with have turned into antidote addons. It killed my entire drive to play clown because I was fine with how he was.
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Well, but that doesn't mean it's useless bad. I use it to move around and sometimes in loops
However, I know this feeling
You feel heavy as you switch between bottles
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I don't, they made him a lot more interresting to play. Antidote is really satisfying when you get the hang of it.
What addons did you use before the rework. I don't remember them that well. I know he had a exhaustion one that was pretty good
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Clown is still good even with this rework...
dunno how you're struggling but he's alot easier compared to the old kit which slowed him down while throwing a bottle
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I don’t understand this.
Revert to what? An objectively weaker state? Huh??
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Dw..
the guy needsa get better at clown before we try anything else on the poor killer.
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I just don get why Clown buff survivors even with purple addon.
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if you used yellow reload add-on clown and pinky finger before rework, clown is worse now then he was before the rework. so yes, they nerfed clown. I wish they made yellow bottles usable vs good players and just not just very very bad survivor players.
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Clown can’t really have map pressure without becoming overwhelming. He has a strong, easy to use chase power with little counterplay besides pre throwing.
He’s fine the way he is now tbh besides maybe splitting his ammo in some way
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go against a good clown, and your theory will be proven wrong. hes very difficult to play against. maybe spend more time learning him.
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just dont use the piss bottles???
quite literally the exact same killer with a faster reload basekit
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I didn't use pinky finger.
Solvent Jug used to give survivors Exhausted for 30 seconds now it gives Invigoration for +1 second.
The removed Ether 10vol
They completely changed garish makeup into an invigoration addon. This is repeating trend with his current addons that invigoration basically crippled every build I enjoyed using on clown as they either changed or removed the addons. I put a lot of time into learning Clown and his addons so this change has never been to my benefit. I'm not relearning an entire killer who already wasn't good, but was fun for a new form that is less fun for me. Why would ever want to give survivors a speed boost? Why would I want to play with speed boost that's on a delay at that? I wouldn't and I don't cause now I don't have a lot of the addons that I liked and that worked for me. I've been alienated entirely from this killer. He's functionally worse and no 30 min Otz video or 800 page Clown guide is gonna fix that.
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What was stronger about old Clown?
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Nothing.
I genuinely don't understand this thread at all. Heck, Clown used to have slowdown when he threw bottles! Clown's had nothing but buffs ever since he came out and he's not in a bad place right now.
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Why though? Clown was so much worse before his rework and anything you could do back then you can still do now. They didn't remove anything.
His addons aren't great but he does have some fairly useful ones.
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Why are you throwing antidote bottles around the survivors for?
Use them to get around the map.
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What was the old Clown like?
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The one that makes his bottles slowdown and expose survivors is really good.
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Pinky Finger shouldn't even exist to be honest. They nerfed it twice already but problem remains. Unhooking is impossible against this addon.
I didn't mean to say that he doesn't have any strong addons. It's just that overall his addons are not the best. Some good addons and some that are just incomprehensibly bad.
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The QoL stuff like not having a slowdown when tossing bottles is fine, but changing and replacing addons into invigoration modifiers is not fine. It's not always about whether something is objectively better or worse, but whether or not it feels fun to play and worth relearning. Some of us played Clown just fine the way he was and the time investment into him was worth it the first time. Clown may be objectively better now, but he isn't so much better that it makes the time investment to relearn him worth it. Clown was extremely simple and his old addons were much more impactful. Whereas invigoration isn't anywhere near as impactful and introduced a layer of unearned pseudo-complexity and is more likely to hurt you than help you.
Sometimes it really is about killers being comfy and consistent. You can make up the different in kit weakness with player skill, but nothing helps with game feel when the things that gave good game feel are totally removed. I see as a point where the devs have an idea they are super attached to and game feel for established clown players took a bit of backseat. It wasn't like that level of rework was needed as he wasn't Freddy level where he literally was bad and not really capable of playing the game normally. He just wasn't particularly good so nothing has really changed. He still lacks overall map presence and pressure which was the problem to begin with and invigoration has done very little to solve that issue so what was gained by sacrificing comfy consistency?
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Honest question: What does "old self" mean in this context? Because far as I know the only significant change to Clown was the addition of the Afterpiece Antidote, with no change to the Afterpiece Tonic that I can recall. What's achieved by "reverting Clown to his old self" that isn't by just not using the Antidoe?
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I'd give up antidote bottles in a second for exhaustion bottles back.
It's funny because huntress got to keep her exhaustion addon.
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Getting back exhaustion addon, getting back reload speed increases, getting movement speed increases while reloading without needing a green addon as Smelly Inner Soles and VHS Porn used to have swapped rarities, but now the tape is literally useless, getting back old Cigar Box.
Generally everything associated with Invigoration just isn't worth using.
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His old self?
Let's not bring his old self back. I remember the nightmares of him slowing down whenever he tosses a bottle. Let's not forget his 5 second reload as well!
If you mean old self add-on wise? Then sure. I'll gladly welcome his 5% slowdown on Bleach (currently at 4%) and Solvet Jug having exhaustion effect, even if it's worthless now. And by old self, you also want old pinky finger where the add-on didn't have any compensation. As in, run pinky with Gin bottle and it's back to 6 bottles.
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I see what you mean but really I miss the point where Clown would feel much different than how he used to feel. It's still more or less the same killer. The invigoration addons aren't particularly good besides that one purple (I believe) but as I said they didn't remove any of his mechanics. Instead they introduced a new one, that believe it or not can really make a difference. Removing that would only weaken him significantly when he already has issues, so I would be against it.
I wasn't around to see Clown's old addons, so I'll have to take your word for it that they felt better but there still are some nice addons. Especially some of his green and purple addons are quite nice.
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I can remember only 3 of his add-on's. solvent jug was not +1 sec invigoration. it was apply 30 second of exhaustion. Cigar box was not 16 meter of aura reading when using antidote. It was increase pink gas duration on the floor, increased blurred vision on pink gas and increased hindered duration. I do not remember what garnish kit did but I remember it increased area of effect of his pink bottle. I remember running garnish kit+chloroform and having this giant 10+ meter pink cloud that would hindered the survivor for 5-6 seconds as survivor walked through. Either10% was green add-on that increased hindered duration. it is replaced by that weird add-on that increases the size of yellow cloud. I think his new add-on are superior but I wish his yellow gas had less delay.
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That’s actually my favorite add-on for Clown. I know it seems overpowered but I mean is it any worse than Bubba’s chainsaw or Myers’ T3, or Blight/Nurse/Spirit?
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