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Anyone have a video of a survivor team getting a 4 out against a camping bubba?
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I agree, plus I think both sided should get more BP for players DCing. You can get really screwed either side when this happens
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Notice how proxy camping quite literally ended up in him not getting a kill, if you can even call what he was doing proxy camping lol. He quite literally met the survivors at the basement entrance.
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Don't have a video, and I'm not going to claim it's anywhere near 'typical', but yes, I once got a 4 man out against a camping Bubba. Once, like, 2 years ago.
It all hinged on me making a save, where Bubba used his chainsaw and somehow completely missed hitting me, only hitting the unhooked survivor (who had Borrowed Time from me), and we proceeded to escape right after that.
It was a complete fluke, I don't know how I didn't get hit.
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If they're telling you that they're lying or they mean under certain conditions (playing in a SWF, bringing Reassurance/Deliverance etc.)
Camping Bubba is definitely a problem for solo survivor, because if they're not co-ordinated to rush gens, the game can go south. I've had too many games where we can get 3 out and someone ######### up our chances wanted to be the hero and going for the rescue and when we haven't even finished all our gens.
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Its pretty much impossible if the Bubba knows what hes doing, or the team has the correct tools (flash save for example)
Right off the bad, anyone that attempts the unhook goes down, thats just unavoidable, so yeah, Bubba is so far the only killer that can really secure a sacrifice by camping, most others can screw up or is possible to save with coordination, him? nope.
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Survivors are supposed to feel helpless?! No they don't
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Went against two Bubbas today (in solo q), first game the Bubba was staying around the hook and trying to tunnel but wasn't facecamping facecamping, we got everyone out with 3 or 4 hooks I believe. Second game the Bubba was properly facecamping (insidious and everything), he got 6-7 hooks but we all got out thanks to the power of
friendshipbasic teamwork and hook trade. We also didn't have any unhook related perk or even kindred.Unless the Bubba is very determined they always make a mistake because standing so perfectly still and focused in front of a survivor is actually very boring and they're bound to get distracted at some point.
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I see your point, but on the other hand, not making a mistake in that situation really isn't rocket science lol
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There are definitely things I want changed about Bubba's power when near hooked survivors, I think most people can agree that there needs to be some changes to make him not so strong at facecamping.
However, the fact that Bubba can guarentee a kill so long as he doesn't mess up isn't a MASSIVE issue. Guarenteeing a 1k (or a 2k with noed) isn't the end of the world because a 1k is still a loss and a 2k only a draw. Yes it feels cheap and it's hard to get the save without some serious skills and certain items/perks, but you don't see facecamping Bubbas very often at all. I rarely see Bubbas in general and the few times I do they usually don't facecamp. This is because it's not a very fun playstyle for the killer either, and if the survivors just focus on gens he's gonna struggle to 'win'.
So yeah I do hope BHVR finally changes Bubba somehow so this isn't an issue, but it's still not that big of an issue anyway.
And if you're saying it's a problem just because there isn't a basekit way of dealing with it, well, there's a bunch of stuff killers can do that's impossible to deal with without certain perks or items.
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I find it to be a significant issue particularly because of how ds/otr were disabled in endgame to prevent so called "free escapes," you may not have had an issue with those, but I can tell most people definitely have and bhvr did, and they should take same issue w free kills imo. The "free escapse" provided by ds/otr was only a difference of one escape/kill, in the same way free kills can be defended for only being a 1k, free escapes can be defended in only making a difference of a 1k, making a 3 out (killer loss) into a 4 out (still a killer loss). Also imo there is more than bubba who can do this, not a lot more, but billy can, trickster can, plague can, and some other killers with some vile addons. Just out of curiosity tho, what stuff that killers can do are you referring to exactly?
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This is quite the discussion.
Whataboutisms and comparisons seem rather misleading, especially the way you are trying to draw conclusions and compare.
First, let's discuss, the not-so-subtle Title Issue... that isn't exactly in the title. The fact that DS/OtR were nerfed to be disabled during end game. I was under the impression that around the same time BHVR/devs nerfed NoeD to also be significantly weaker in endgame. Thus, both killer AND survivor had perks that the COMMUNITY felt were overtuned in endgame nerfed. I will say I have no weight in whether DS/OtR should or should not be active during endgame. However, I do think this balance and comparison should be more compared to NoeD revealing itself in endgame opposed to your comparison with a face-camping bubba.
Second, WHY Bubba???? Literally, why is Bubba the only killer who is "guarenteed free 1K" as you say? I'd argue that MANY other killers can also guarantee 1k through face camping. I understand that his power allows easier immediate post-unhook downs. However, any other killers can also have easy post-unhook downs.
High Mobility S-tier killers? - Nurse? Blight? Spirit?
Killers that can "ignore" base-kit BT? - Pinhead (+addon)? Deathslinger?
Killers who can locked down a location? - Trapper? Hag? Twins (to some extent)?
Why is it all just Bubba hate? He is probably one of the most mid-tier killers.
Thanks for the interesting discussion!
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1 I see no reason ds/otr should be compared to noed over bubba, imo they are pretty comparable to bubba with the complaints about free escapes
2 I don't claim bubba to be the only killer who can do that, sorry if you got that impression, I pretty much agree with the others you said completely. Bubba is just a very, very simple and easy to understand example, and imo it was just cleaner for me to ask for a video with bubba as opposed to "bubba, and nurse, and blahblahblah." Especially when I'm forced to explain how this stuff can be a free 1k, I can't bother going over every example lol
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And I agree it's unfair and should be dealt with, Bubba's kit is far too good at facecamping and denying survivors much counterplay to it, I'm just saying it isn't a widespread problem at the moment because even with this issue, Bubba isn't that widely played and facecamping-Bubba even less so. And yes Myers is another who can do it with perma t3 or simply 99ing t3 and facecamping, and Billy, while it's a bit more tricky to do.
I'd argue that tunnelling in general is something that, if you're not a strong looper, is uncounterable basekit as well. You need to bring Endurance perks, a Styptic medkit or something like DS to help deal with it, and even then you're only making it more annoying for the killer, not really stopping it.
Also slugging. If the killer just wants to slug all four survivors and you don't have particular perks like Unbreakable or Boon: Exponential, you're in for a harder time. There's definitely more your team can do about it but for solo queue especially it can be a lot harder.
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Tunneling I agree with, slugging not really, at least not with more solo buffs that I'd also would agree with
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3 out is the max a good team could get.
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Crazy fair considering it's a good team and a bad bubba lol
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Its always at least 1k
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If you camp as Bubba you will get an almost guaranteed 2k (1 dies during the match, 1 close to endgame/during endgame) even if survivors are on coms and doing gens right away unless one of the survivors is cheating to do the gens more quickly.
A 4 man escape against a Bubba? No, that's not happening unless the Bubba messes up completely for whatever reason.
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A camping bubba is not counterable if he does it right. You can however make him throw the match.
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I'm pretty sure Dowsey's hardcore challenge team managed this. It would take me a while to pull up the episode, if you are seriously interested I will try and find it again for you though.
They, of course, do have items and perks but really as basic as can be as they all start from unused accounts and only use items they find in the match. And yes, it's a team of seasoned players on communications but the question was of it can in theory be done.
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I main bubba and it happened today but only because the lag is so bad right now that I missed MANY hits with both the hammer and chainsaw. The hammer I kept rubber banding constantly. Chainsaw they were probably hacking cuz they got hit and it still didn't down them plus everyone not injured had a speed boost without hope. This was more of a complaint paragraph than helpful.
Generally, yes you can but it's hard. I recently was survivor on eerie and saw a bubba insidious camping basement. I ran down, juked him into a tantrum making him hit the basment hooks, then saved the person. We all got to the endgame but that girl sadly got downed with gates open. Nearly a four escape, and his camping didn't help him any.
A smart bubba should always get atleast one kill generally speaking but it comes down to the team. As long as the players can make him miss his saw its 100% possible. If he misses it and tantrums/goes on cool down he can't do anything to you.
It's DIFFICULT to 4 escape and camping Bubba. But not impossible by any stretch.
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Without specific perks/items and assuming the bubba doesn't make a mistake (which isn't hard to do), it very much is impossible
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- Sorry for calling ignorant people ignorant, I guess
- Using "helpful perks or items" literally is specific circumstances, I'm asking for the opposite
- I legit never said anything close to this, just a fact they aren't granted enough to make it even possibly, if you think the only options are having 0 protection and unlimited than good for you but I disagree, thanks for misconstruing my argument tho
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The response to a whataboutism is supposed to be "multiple things can be problematic at once" but you're saying one of the things is and the other isn't, there's nothing wrong with my whataboutism if you're quite literally proving my point with the hypocrisy. If 1 kill is still a loss then hissy fits shouldn't have been thrown over ds/otr in endgame since the match results in a loss for the killer either way
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Sick necro bro.
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thanks
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