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Hoarder was kinda special unique perk that now is totaly worthless F tier

Chocolate_Cosmos
Chocolate_Cosmos Member Posts: 5,734
edited July 2023 in Feedback and Suggestions

Since it no longer tells you when Survivors pick up items from Killer powers it totaly lost it's only unique purpose. It was technicaly nerfed ("fixed") to the ground even tho it was very rare perk allready that almost nobody used anyway, now it is pretty bad. Another unique niche perk nuked.

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  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,930

    Remember when Hoarder used to reduce item rarity?

    Me neither it was bugged on PTB lol

  • Devil_hit11
    Devil_hit11 Member Posts: 9,513
    edited July 2023

    the perk was never really strong conceptually. a possible rework to the perk could be that the perk spawns 2 additional boxes and in one of the boxes, you can pick-up a ghost key. As long ghost key remains in the chest, all survivors suffer a 9% repair penalty towards healing and generators. Now the perk could be like secondary objective type gen defence perk that slows the game down by making survivors waste time searching chests.

  • Phyrqc
    Phyrqc Member Posts: 77
  • jesterkind
    jesterkind Member Posts: 9,574

    I feel like this is kind of an overreaction. Only one killer got an interaction removed, I don't think it's fair to say that this perk was 'ruined' or 'nuked' because one specific killer can't use it to do a super specific kind of overrated thing anymore.

    Hoarder suffers for the exact same reason that perks like Ace in the Hole or Plunderer's Instinct suffer. If chests and their loot were more worth going for, Hoarder would be a perfectly usable perk, but nobody has any reason to care about chests right now. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's going to be very difficult to meaningfully buff it while chests and their loot are in the state they're in.

  • Gandor
    Gandor Member Posts: 4,379

    You know chests are in real bad state when killer perk promoting chest hunting is absolute trash tier :) In fact I would go so far as to say killer's offering for less chests helps survivor more then said killer

  • ReverseVelocity
    ReverseVelocity Member Posts: 5,527

    I mean, it worked on any killer with a Special Item as a part of their power. It was pretty useful on Wesker and Nemesis and I'm sure it would've been quite good on Singularity if the behaviour wasn't changed in the same patch.

  • jesterkind
    jesterkind Member Posts: 9,574

    I thought it already didn't work on those killers? I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that the vaccine and the first aid spray already didn't count. Or maybe it was just those chests not counting, I'm not sure...

    Either way, that upgrades it from one mildly useful and overhyped application to... three mildly useful and overhyped applications, which doesn't really change my overall point.

  • ReverseVelocity
    ReverseVelocity Member Posts: 5,527

    Better to have 3-4 niche applications than none at all, if you ask me.

  • jesterkind
    jesterkind Member Posts: 9,574

    It's not three to four niche applications, though. It's one niche application that only three to four killers could even use- and of those potential four, only one gets any real use out of it whatsoever.

    It is a loss, obviously, but it's a pretty miniscule one. Franklin's was hit harder by this change, and even that wasn't hit particularly hard.

  • ReverseVelocity
    ReverseVelocity Member Posts: 5,527

    The difference is that Franklin's was and still is a very effective perk without acting on limited items. This was kinda Hoarder's main thing in practice.

  • sizzlingmario4
    sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 7,848

    It did work on them; the crates don’t count as chests, but the items were affected by those perks. I used to run Franklin’s/Hoarder on Wesker a lot, it was actually quite fun. I used the addon that increases the time to spray and the one that makes you Oblivious after spraying to catch survivors off guard and know where they were spraying (or potentially stop the spray from happening and knock the spray can out of their hand or instadown if fully infected). It gave you a lot of information as killer and constantly kept you in chase.

    Ultimately though I understand why they changed it and made the behavior consistent across all killers so I’m not really upset about losing it. The issue is just that was the only thing Hoarder was actually good at so now it has no real purpose.