BHVR just admitted and proved that tunnelling is an extremely effective strategy

So what, 8 seconds of unblockable aura-reading on the entire team or just one Survivor?

And then a 20% Haste until X condition is reached?

Well, at least one of us is trying to come up with ideas.

It can be both. I gave you the definition itself, what you said falls under that quite easily as far as I see. It was not my intention to offend, I was just addressing what you said. I'll just say insult instead if that'll make it easier. There's no need for you to include insults into your arguments. They got addressed and called out for what they are, insults to a group of players just for trying their best (key word) chance at winning.

If tunneling, camping, 3 gens, gen rush, or w.e. is an effective way to win then it is what it is. Again, its not the players fault, get mad at the devs if you want. Advocating for it to be changed or expressing that for you it is unfun is one thing and on that I would probably agree. Insulting players just for playing in a way that has been shown to get results just because you don't like it is another and I will say that that is always unnecessary and hostile.

If that's not how you feel or what you meant, then perhaps that was just poor word choice.

I myself have advocated for changing these things and proposed solutions in the past, but as the game is now it's not the players fault. Unless we're really going to argue that taking your best shot to win is something that shouldn't be allowed and/or something that should be mocked and shamed.

Make going for the 12 hook a good play. Better than the tunneling alternative and actually strong, not a detriment. Then we'll see more players shift and play that way.

The problem with that solution is that even while having those two perks basekit, tunneling is still the easiest most effective way to win a game in dbd. Meaning that everytime a killer maybe losing the game they will switch back to tunnel as you are not actively punishing it in any way.

Your solution relies on killers willingly choosing not to tunnel while having no reason not to.

You don't just need a small bonus effect to reward the killer for not tunneling, you need to make it large enough to offset and/or be better than tunneling. Removing one player from the game is huge, so you'd need something equally huge.

We can punish tunneling, but only if we also put something equally strong as a reward for not tunneling in its place at the same time, or buff killers/nerf survivors to compensate. But if we just made not tunneling superior then it shouldn't really be necessary as winning is the strongest incentive.

If you just punish tunneling and that's it then either A) killers will still tunnel just be worse at it or B) you'll be forcing 12 hook games or something similar while the game is not in a state to really facilitate that gameplay in any match with competent players actually trying to win and not goofing around (unless you're Nurse).

I agree 100%

If we put something on the same level as current tunneling, then it will create its own set of problem. The main problem with tunneling is how most survivors arent able to deal with a killer hard tunneling at 5 gens thus it makes for an easy strat to use every game with every killer.

Take a look at the other side, genrush let's say. Survivors are not getting something "equally strong as a reward for not genrushing", they are getting a flat nerf to PT and a rework nerfing BNP because they cant possibly incentivate survivors to not bring 4 BNPs and smash gens in 5 minutes. With tunneling is the same.

What i am trying to tell you is that unless you gave killer an extreme advantage, something so broken that would skyrocket the kill rates, tunneling will never decrease, let alone cease to exist.

As other users pointed out, killers had the eruption meta not so long ago, a perk so busted that would give you 40 sec of gen regression, uncounterable without comms, that only require a gen kick, and still they tunneled and camped because of how strong this strat is.

Your solution means making killer basekit strong enough to win against any survivor without tunneling while making every killer that tunnels steamroll every game.

No I don't mean they're not the same as in they're not the strongest for either side, they are.

They're not the same as in gen rushing is more powerful than tunneling. We're at the point where a gen can be done in 40 seconds or less working on it solo.

Hopefully the nerfs bring it more in line.

I don't believe tunneling is OP. Survivors can win against a tunneling killer just fine if they're good.

I agree on the concept, tunneling does have clear counterplay, though it creates its own problem. At low and mid MMR there are not a lot of players who are capable of the counterplay, while any killer regardless of skill can engage in camping/tunneling. So killers who do that vault up the MMR until they get matched against teams who can counter it, then they get crushed and complain about the game being broken.

So at no point of the experience are people really having fun.

More likely than not, they would find a way to optimize and tunnel while still using those perks.

Heck, you can still tunnel someone out at 5 gens and then use PR for the rest of the game.

It really doesn’t matter if you agree.

1 data point = data trend proof???????!?!!????!

I don't think I've ever heard people cite not being able to find other Survivors as a reason for tunneling.

Tried to argue in good faith, but it just seems like you aren't.

...yes? (Also, are you seriously, unironically, pulling a "Yet you participate in society? I am very intellect" on me here?)

Camping and tunneling doesn't happen every game. Hell for myself at least, camping/tunneling might happen 1/8 games or so (though that number did seem to spike with the event).

It's irksome and boring but the killer is free to do what they want

I gave up because I tried my best to provide solutions and you completely shut down.

If they're basekit, what's to stop them from bringing perks to help while tunneling whilst still getting value from thos effects later in game?

But you still gain from it even though you tunneled someone out.

You don't need it to do a lot when there's only three people alive.