Hug "tech" on Blight is an exploit and should be bannable.

I understand the frustration of being exploited cause I had similar buggy issues in the past many times. I will also say that yes Blight does need some add-on rework for sure. But I don’t think banning someone using hug tech should be banned? Cause I feel that it’s not in the right direction.

I mean it takes skill to learn the hug tech like 360ing for survivor which I heard is also a bug. And if again we banned people for using hug tech then we should banned people 360ing. I will also say like other mentioned in the past that if both got remove them will it make the better, I probably say maybe. But that’s why we test things to figure out which way is better. If I came off contradictory I apologize for that.

It's literally a game dude, I don't know what to say other than that.

People use hug tech to conserve rushes, they use as a mindgame on short loops and there's plenty of counterplay, just run away if you see it on low wall loops, if you hear the blight bumping a lot, you can assume there stuck/trying to hug tech, and in either case, just run away.

It is a useful tool some Blight's use to save time and close the distance faster, but the alternative is making the Blight very clunky and prone to getting stuck on random collision.

Brave Shroompy! What an awesome,balanced and exhaustive answer. Hurrah

Most of those bugs could be fixed if they cared to, and I'd argue most of those should be.

Trap - I don't recall this, so it likely was before my time starting the game. If it was reintroduced it sounds like it is an intended mechanic now.

Crouch - Bugged hitboxes are bugged, I coulda toldja that if you ever played against a laggy Huntress hitting through walls/around corners. Make the hitbox more vertical up and down and it fixes the problem.

Window - I thought this only worked with Clairvoyance because it removes collision. Again, fix bad hitboxes, including collision walking hitboxes.

CJ - Unintended consequence of the bad design of overmapping keys (AKA the Mass Effect Spacebar does everything). Allowing for each separate action to be bound to different buttons/keys would fix this.

Vault - This is fair counterplay of mechanics, and as long as you aren't lagging out of your mind you can still interrupt the vaults with the pallet kick. It basically is a ping check of who is less laggy wins.

Stagger - Definitely should be fixed, or arguably baked into Balanced Landing regardless of exhaustion state, since it is lacking in comparison to all other Exhaustion perks.

Phase - Again fix the non-collision.

Input Buffer Doctor - Also known as lag. They 'fix' and break lag every patch with different parts. Pallets used to be bugged and always get hit through the stun, then they made pallet validation and it worked for like 1 patch. Now if you 'perfect' time it, you can hit through the validation, but the 'perfect' timing is far too lax imo.

Curving - This is just understanding current hitboxes. Arguably all hitboxes should match their visual, but then you get Bubba Tantruming on twigs in Eyrie. Mixed bag, but I would liken this to map knowledge and say its fine overall. If they made less garbage twig clutter they should fix map object hitboxes, but leaving them partially broken may be a necessary evil if maps are going to remain to be poorly designed.

Flick - This is definitely bad, as the power's lethality is balanced around the limitations, such as Oni can only hit in the frontal 180 degrees during his dash. I'd be fine if they were made less lethal but all ranges allowed, such as Oni doing 1 injury state with a backwards rush swing, and Pyramid Head Deep Wounding injured Survs, and downing Deep Wounded Survs. It carries the risk proportional to the reward if adjusted in such a manner. Trickster doesn't just injure people with 1 knife, so why would a backwards swing Oni deserve an instadown? Risk should match reward.

FL cancel - This is more like a combination of functioning as intended mechanics, that can be used for unintended consequences, like pallet vault spamming and CJ. This could be 'fixed' by not booting out of power when blinded, but I think both sides get something out of it in a fair manner in different scenarios.

Locker Bend - I haven't seen this but I would want it fixed, along with more lockers on maps in general. They legit seem to forget about Huntress/Dredge/Trickster with Toba Landing/Borgo, and every new map. Heck, even his own map has a distinct lack of lockers.

Nemmy Drag - This is a hyperspecific understanding of the programming in order to use it in a different manner. Arguably the tentacle could have been programmed to hit all 'lines' at once, but since they go sequentially, it appears to be intended. I'm fine with it either way, because it could be the intended design as it was intentionally programmed that way.

Urobend - I both like and dislike this. Wesker has sketch hitboxes all over the place. Sometimes you get slammed on an invisible wall, sometimes you throw them into a wall and they remain uninjured. This can help make it more consistent, but can also scam false hits that would have been throws into the open instead. If they plan on locking the camera mid dash to force it to work as intended, I would hope they also fix the uninjured wall throw problem as well. Sadly higher skill Weskers can abuse this to always get an undeserved scam hit, so I'm leaning more towards fixing it than leaving it in.

Skybilly - This one is a crime against humanity. Every other bug has the potential to fit the in-game description for 'competitive advantage'. This is legit the only bug that has no such potential for 'competitive advantage', yet they 'fix' it?!?! That just makes me think some devs are allergic to fun. Especially every dev that adds invisible walls on 2nd stories. If I saw as Billy/Bubba, Rush as Blight, Shred as Demo, etc. (other than Wesker, he SHOULD stop at heights as designed) I shouldn't bump on invisible walls. If you put a legit bird cage around the Garden of Joy's 2nd story I won't complain, but hitting the open air shouldn't be a thing.

360 - I'm surprised you didn't mention this one. This (along with corner wall hits) is a bug in regards to how 'aim-dressing' or autoaim works. If there was simply a menu option to turn off autoaim (as it arguably still helps new players more than it hurts), it would pretty much be fixed, and I wouldn't get scammed swinging around corners either.

I usually hate bugs that give an advantage, especially on the stronger Killers like Blight and Wesker, but I'm more lax if say the Wesker vault grab bug (teleporting Survivors to the wrong side) happened with Doctor shocks instead. He is weak enough that such a bug might actually make him 'playable'. Even then, I think it would be better if they gave him mechanics that are functional from the onset.

It's not that it's not good, it's just most of the time playing normally is simply better. Hug tech has far too much counter play. It's best use is mitigating rush usage and making unplayable tiles playable to an extent(cold wind tiles with nothing on up to three sides come to mind). Although it makes some filler tiles very blight favored.

Everyone else. You literally can't have a conversation with op, he just ignores everything you say and says "alch ring exploiter".

Thing is most of these arent bugs, most of these are working just as intended.

Things like trap buffering are a strong tool Survivors have but it requires teamwork and being in the right place at the right time, which in the grand scheme of things promotes healthy gameplay.

Hitboxes, they aren't bugged they just aren't very representative of what you'd think. A Survivors hit box is actually fairly large and this is especially apparent when injured. The hitbox remains the same but a Survivors posture is lower and leans more forward. This makes their hitbox be much further behind them then you'd realize. When you pair that with a "favor the shooter" mechanic, you get dodgy looking hits.

Crouch tech as well is just taking advantage of how they made hitboxes. They do actually work on normal basic attacks as well, the only reason why it doesnt work 99% of the time is because unlike Billy, Blight or Demo's special attacks, your camera isnt locked in place. You can actually get a hit as all of these killers if a survivor tries to hug tech at the very beginning of your attack, as long youre looking down directly at the survivor

Also you say curving is "understanding current hitboxes" when that is literally what Hug Tech is. His collision while rushing works exactly like a basic attack. Try it out for yourself, things you can swing at and whiff despite being right next to it will make you slide right off of it as Blight. The reason why Blight can do it while Billy or Demo cant, is Blight can look up or down to manipulate how he bumps into things, similarly to basic attacks.

Doc's shock not taking priority is intended and works exactly like everything else (well, most) in the game. If an action is already being performed such as a vault or pallet throw, nothing interrupts it. Even the powers that lock the Survivor in a specific animation/stagger them. Such as: A normal basic attack, any special attack, EGC death, Deathslingers harpoon, Pinhead's chains, Pig's RBT, etc.

Nemesis' drag is actually a necessary evil thanks to how his power is. If the hitbox of his tentacle wouldn't move with him, his range would actually be much shorter since part of the distance the tentacle would of covered, he just covered as well.

Urobending doesn't give "undeserved scam hits". Its main purpose is throwing some one out of position which most of the time is towards the edge of the map. If the Survivor you're going after is healthy, getting a hit from a throw is much better than from a slam since you can still adjust yourself while the Survivors speed burst goes off.

To say sky billy had no potential for a competitive advantage couldn't be further from the truth. Of course not many people played it that way, but I've seen a few Billy's use it to their advantage and it was/is the most abusable tech by far. Shutting down multiple loops, improving his mobility, and having a top down view of the map are just a few things sky billy allowed you to do, and when put into the right hands it could be devastating.

360's mess with aim dressing, but not actual hits. The times you see it attempt to adjust your camera for a hit wouldn't of gotten you the hit even if aim dressing didn't exist. Its just a common misconception that's spread around because its easier to say: "I'm not the problem, the game is!"

Now, saving the best for last; Your very first sentence: "I don't recall this, so it likely was before my time starting the game. If it was reintroduced it sounds like it is an intended mechanic now."

For one, it was reintroduced and was even mentioned in the patch notes. This was all the way back in Summer of 2018 when Trapper received his mini rework.

Two, what makes you and anybody reading this think that this is the only case of an unintended mechanic becoming an actual thing? Some of these have been in the game for literal years now, and there hasn't been any news from BHVR that they have any plans on removing these. Most of these techs are ways to express skill and just add that extra layer of learning to people who already have thousands of hours. I myself am sitting at over 5.8k and still learn new things to this day because of fancy little techs that I either am on the receiving end, find out by pure accident, (input buffer trapper) or the occasional youtube video.

Now as for the actual main topic being Blight, I can guarantee you Hug Tech is likely on the bottom of the list of reasons as to why you got downed. People just need to wake up and realize this guy has a busted basekit with add ons that are WAY too overtuned.

Shroompy being the most based forum user^.

Most of the 'working as intended' facets are when 2 disjointed mechanics clash with strange or incorrect compared to the expected results. IIRC specifically for Blight, McLean said on one of his streams, that bug tech is specifically from how when they changed his crotch height camera to a normal camera, it broke the 2 checks (body and camera) to allow for bug tech. If Blight went back to crotch height camera, it would actually fix bug tech overnight, at the cost of an annoyingly low camera angle. I played and got used to Blight with that release crotch height camera, and think he is certainly powerful enough that reverting the camera wouldn't hurt his results enough, and would fix enough of his bugs, that it would be worthwhile to do.

'Bugged' hitboxes - Yes I apologize for inaccurate phrasing. If I am a human character, I don't expect my hitbox to be a cylindrical pill shape. Also if I am leaning forward, one would reasonably expect the hitbox to match the newly leaning character model, however it remains the same location cylindrical pill shape centered around the character's waist. Just because visually, the hatchet clearly exploded 12m behind me, doesn't mean programmatically it isn't working as intended with the Huntresses' 1200 ping and the favor the shooter code. That being said, 'working as intended' looks horribly inaccurate, and misleads all too many players who haven't viewed the hitbox demo video. It would be far more reasonable to at the very least, have the injured hitbox lean like '\' as opposed to '|' still. Similarly just because someone is crouching, doesn't mean the attack hitbox shouldn't also extend from the Killers' feet to head (still blocked by windows and walls), in order to prevent silly misses on hills. For most of the things, if it was made wrong, that doesn't also mean it is working as intended, just working as programmed.

As far as Wesker turning mid dash to scam hits, yeah it most certainly is a scam. If you dash in a line, the throw/slam should follow the dash's line. If I run in the middle of a jungle gym, and Wesker dashes once in the gym to the wall near the pallet, then dashes again to hit me when I am in the middle of the pallet, he should go parallel to the standing pallet and presumably throw/slam me into some debris outside of the jungle gym, or thrown into the open if there is no debris. He most certainly shouldn't turn 90 degrees and slam me into the pallet, nor should I slide off the rock unijured should he throw me into it. If there was no debris in the back drop and he slammed me into the pallet, that was a scam hit. If I would have hit the rock uninjured, but get slammed into the pallet, it prevented him from getting scammed instead.

Sky Billy Advantage - I mean theoretically yeah, they could have spent 3 minutes to get on top of the main building of Dead Dawg, but I feel as though the spending those 3 minutes negates all possibility of it being an advantage when they could have been chasing, downing, and whittling down map resources. Especially in comparison to the majority of other bugs/inaccuracies listed.

Autoaim/Aim-dressing - Then lets allow it to be turned off and we can find out if players such as myself are actually delusional, or are actually getting scammed hits that Autoaim ended the lunge early to hit the corner of the wall instead of the Survivor, or not letting me lunge in the open against a spinning Survivor. I learned to swing to the side after the first time I got 360'd to ensure it would lunge hit them instead of stop the attack early only to miss, so it can be worked around, but disabling autoaim would be far less annoying.

As far as Blight in general, I too think he needs nerfs both to basekit and add-ons. In my ideal DBD there would be no S or D tier Killers. That would necessitate nerfs to basically the top 5 (maybe more) and buffs to the bottom 5 (maybe more). I specifically hate bug tech on Blight, because an already S-tier Killer is getting more tools in their kit. The kit is already friggin' overloaded in the Killer's favor, why does he need more, yet Pig and Myers doesn't?

Things that make the game more enjoyable to play should never get removed unless it's completely broken. I'd much rather his stupid add-ons got reworked rather than removing something that expands how Blight players can play.

It is an exploit, but I don't think it should be bannable.

It needs to be fixed and removed from the game. I don't know why Blight has such thick plot armor.

its only in dbd a thing xD that community... abusing bugs and glitches and call it as a "tech" hehe what a joke! in other games you get banned if you abuse glitches too often

Blight is difficult to ban for it, cause sometimes you dont want to hug tech at all but you just glide past structures, but as an example Wesker, that cant happen "accidentally" it's only intentional, as an example: imagine the survivor can glitch through a bug in pallets where the killer cant catch them (first the killer has to destroy the pallet) and we then call it "pallet tech" sounds a lot nicer than exploiting bugs and glitches

What really "techs" are are things that are in the game itself and have been named like, cj tech (towards killer vaulting), or by hexy dumby tech (get stunned as killer but have enduring and draw killer while vaulting the pallete) legal things that are in the game these are techs... and not this exploit abuse bs...

360s which increase movement speed should be fixed.

In 90% of situations going for hug techs is just worse than playing blight properly you're trading a 100% down for a gamble. It's most useful for navigating bad geometry and certain tiles.

As blight if you touch a wall or something and look down you can rush even though you shouldn’t be able to. This allows you to slide along some objects.

Dumb collision ≠ hug tech

I wasn't even aware of that last one, good additions tho 👍️