Why is BHVR so afraid to nerf tunnelling?

It's hard to make a decisive strike(3 seconds lmao why bhvr) against tunneling without it being abused or disruptive to the match. Trying to code a system that "detects" tunnel without it being easily worked around or easily abused is simply very hard.

Just unnerf DS please

When they changed old DS everyone stopped running it because it wasn't god mode anymore and they ended up needing to make the obsession icon permanent in games since killers would tunnel hard in games where there wasn't a DS user. The only thing healthy when DS was in the meta was the passive deterrent.

I would think they are fine with how OTR is working since they haven't touched that perk still. If tunneling is really bad you can run the anti-tunnel perk and reduce the effectiveness of that strategy. At the end of the day if they were looking to do something more with tunneling I would think it would be a passive deterrent that survivors can't use offensively. If that was the case I don't see it being a quick and simple change and they also have the anti-face camp mechanic coon soon. At the end of the day there is only so much they can do at one time.

And a survivors job is to survive. This is always such a weird statement.

the counter-play is eating the perk and playing strong efficient chasing killer that downs swiftly.

You wanna know a fun fact? You won’t have to eat the stun ever if you don’t tunnel immediately off hook early game.

tunneling feels worse because of the gen speed my friend. Killers feel the need to tunnel someone out because the clock is ticking and it ticks and the gens speed light. When you lose 2-3 gens by the time you have 1-2 successful down. You know you gotta get someone out ASAP. Im sure most killers would stop tunneling if they wouldnt lose gens that quick. This wouldnt solve the problem 100%, of course they will always be tunneler , but im sure it would be from time to time vs unexperienced killers. Compare to now almost every game.

Why are you standing there staring at a survivor that will not do gens, will not heal anyone, will not pick anyone up, will not make rescues, will not do totems and will not do any hook denial, instead of going for the 3 people that are doing generators?

Slugging a DS user is the entire counterplay. The entire perk is disabled if you just do not hit spacebar. If you hit /ignore on the guy who was unhooked in the last 60 seconds.

This is not DS punishing you, this is you making a colossal misplay because you're that laser-focused on hard-tunnelling that you forget the entire rest of the game.

They did already nerf it.

Basekit bt+haste means you can make it 44 meters before you can get downed. If you have a bit of sense of where good loops are you pretty much always have a fighting chance.

And while i do agree it's a tad too effective (or rather spreading hooks is too innefective) it's really not that high on the priority list.

First off it's clearly intentional. It's a elimination based game. Why are you playing a elimination based game and then be upset you got eliminated?

If you die first in games like fortnite or amongus or whatever are you also upset?

Second for the "it's not fun" argument. Yeah it's not fun when you are eliminated quickly. Just like it's no fun when you play a fighting game and get flawlessed in 20 seconds. Or get projectile spammed when you can't deal with it.

You know what those things have in common? The mayority of the time it's cause you played badly.

95% of cases being tunneled is a excuse of the survivors misplays. Unhookers dissapearing the moment the unhook has happened, survivors running to the edge of the map where they are cornered instead of to the center, survivors not knowing how to run the main building of the map and prefer to run to unsafe pallets, etc etc etc...

If you play a fighting game and you refuse to learn how to block, can you really complain about getting rushed down? It's 100% in the killers hand if you get tunneled but outside of 2-3 killers with busted addons it's all in your hands how effective it is.

Third the no playing argument. This one is just plainly wrong. That's the argument for camping. You are playing the game when tunneled. You're playing the most excitting part of the game even. It's up to you however how long it last.

Fourth it's just the most logical thing to do. As long as a survivor on dead hook is equally efficient on gens as somebody who has never been hooked it's a fool's errant to not go after the one that's eliminated faster.

If you play RPG you also want to focus one enemy at a time unless there is a mechanic added that specifically makes that less viable.

Which is ultimately the price that's going to have to be payed if you want tunneling nerfed.

Why are the devs afraid to nerf tunneling? Cause 4 survivors are by design overwhelming for the killer.

Unless you bring hefty nerfs to the survivors by penalties on being hooked for the first time or whatever then that's not going to change.

Do want to clarify that i would like seeing tunneling not be the end all be all strategy if you want to win. But it's pretty clear that some drastic changes are going to be needed if you want to remove that option

I don't know if DS should go back to 5 seconds, but what they should change is that the stun applies AFTER the survivor breaks free.

So effectively the killer is stunned for 4 seconds, but you get 3 seconds of distance as opposed to only 2 seconds currently. Wouldn't be opposed to it applying on both hook states either.

Unfortunately yes, tunnelling and camping will always be a thing.

If gens are too fast, killers feel pressured to get a kill.

But if gens are too slow then killers have no downside to camping or tunnelling because the threat of gen rushing is reduced.

So then you add in a bunch of ways to discourage tunnelling and camping... but then its evened out by the fact that a longer chase on a survivor who is on death hook is often still more beneficial than a shorter chase on a survivor who hasn't been hooked. So then you make the anti-tunnelling stronger, but then survivors just abuse it and it goes against what it was intended for and NOT tunnelling becomes detrimental because survivors are trying to force you into it (like how if a survivor body blocks you with BT you are better off chasing them rather than continue chasing the unhooker) or survivors become near invincible (the old "small PP build").

So it's a very hard thing to balance because it's always going to be an effective and generally safe strategy or survivors can abuse those who don't tunnel.

There's no real way to fix. The best way I can think of is to make the reward for not tunnelling better than the reward for tunnelling, but I have no idea how that is possible or what to even do.