The State of survivor perk balancing is worrisome, especially with the perk effect overlaps.

The game is balanced around people not having perks.

Perk value should never be a guaranteed thing like MFT , Resi, Hope, Deja vu and Adren are.

Infact, out of 125 survivor perks, those are the only ones with guaranteed positive value , while the rest only provide value in the correct niche scenario, as perks should be.

For example :

Unbreakable - lets you pick yourself up with faster recovery speed, but if the killer doesn't slug you, you wont get guaranteed value, its an effect that helps a specific scenario.

Background Player - When the killer picks someone up, you get sprintbursted to allow for an easier flashlight save / pallet save. However value is not guaranteed if the killer faces a wall, or picks up outside a pallet.

Prove Thyself - 10% Bonus to repair speed only while co-oping. (which ends up being like ~9% because of the built in co-op slowdown , and at that point you might aswell run resilience and get 9% to everything for yourself.)

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Its very easy to spot the obvious outliers in 125 survivor perks once you see things this way.

Corrupt - Gets deactivated after 120 seconds , or someone goes down, survivors can still do any other gen besides the one they spawned at. (Not busted in the slighest).

Deadlock - locks the most progressed gen after one is completed for 30 seconds but as we know, survivors usually have 2-3 gens going at the same time due to the nature of the 4 v 1 , 1 gets chased, other 3 pump gens early game. Locking a gen thats 60% when the one next to it is 50% means the value is limited.

Lethal - 9 seconds of aura at the start of the match, secondary effect of 2 extra seconds of aura doesn't come into effect unless you run other aura perks. Value is limited to literally 9 seconds at the start of a match.

SHPR - Requires you to go out of your way to find one out of 4 white hooks, of which you might get none because of the way the map and RNG works, value is quite literally not guaranteed. (Not to mention the possibility of hitting a -25% on a 10% gen)

Pop - Must find , down, and hook a survivor, perk activates, you have 45 seconds to find a gen with progress before its popped to get value (Multiple limiting conditions met)

Nowhere to hide - Requires kicking a gen (Killer objective is to kill, you can kill without kicking gens or slowdown at all since thats the way the game is balanced around) , limited to 24m range , and is time limited.

STBFL - Works with a stack mechanic, 1 stack gain for injuring non-obession, hitting obession loses 2 stacks, value isn't guaranteed, the effect isn't really noticeable until 4 stacks or so.

Sloppy - activates upon a hit on a chase , most likely you'll go down in said chase so it has no real effect, only comes into play if you escape chase AND start being healed AND the killer finds you within the 4s window to interrupt you.

An extra 4 seconds to heal (you really complaining about taking 4 extra seconds to heal?)

Jolt - activates on sucessful BASIC ATTACK DOWN (cannot use killer powers) has a limited range of 32 meters, causes gens to lose 7.2 seconds of repair.

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The mental gymnastics survivors are doing to try to defend their perk setup is insane.

You cannot legitimately defend perks like MFT , that makes dark theory and the new buckle up Obsolete.

You cannot defend Resilience , being a personal Prove Thyself , while also buffing every single other survivor action permanentely.

You cannot defend adrenaline when it potentially gives 4 people get a free healthstate instantly, + Pocket SB just because you did what you were suppose to do.

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When you look at perk usage statistics and you notice a couple are being used to the point of feeling like basekit you have to draw some conclusions.

Either its unbalanced and part of a sweat loadout (MFT + Resi builds)

Or people enjoy the convenience and less brain work (Windows of Opp , Bond, Kindred, etc etc) which is the healthier option.

Pulling numbers out of your rearend I see.

The last time BHVR released kill stats the average was sitting at 60ish across all killers.

Currently if you check Nightlight https://nightlight.gg/killers/viewer?sort=kill&shown=pick%2Ckill%2Cdist&start_days=28

You can see the global average sits more at around ~55%.

Again, if you check https://nightlight.gg/perks , you can openly see that theres a very distinct build diversity between killers and Survs , with killers running varied builds depending on what killer they play.

You also have to keep in mind that killer builds often result of a shift in survivor meta, for example, currently you see more Blood echo because of MFT spam.

you'll sometimes find certain killers running more common builds for that specific killer, like a huntress running BBQ , Iron maiden and darkness revealed because the killer power has synergy with it.

Remember me - Requires you to injure the obession, grants a total of a 24 second delay upon max stacks , to a total duration of 36 seconds to open exit gate. Obsession isn't affected by this. - Specific requirement, perk isn't guaranteed value unless you kill the obsession first.

No way out - Requires the killer to hook 4 different people, blocks the gate for a total of 60 seconds after its touched. - Perk is timed, the requirement makes you unable to farm stacks from 1 single survivor.

Back in the day Corrupt was used more because gens took 10 less seconds to repair, and people were still running Gen oriented perks , couple that with survivors often spawning within a meter of a gen. it makes sense to "block" said gens.

Remember, killer metas are often a reflection of survivor metas.

People running MFT? people bring blood echo.

Running Plot twist? People run deerstalker.

More often than not, the people that benefit from Adren are the ones that went down or are close to going down before the last gen pops , you're rewarded with a mistake eraser because *someone else, a mile away, finished the last gen* and that is simply not a balanced perk.

MFT on its own makes current Buckle up and Dark theory obsolete.

Resilience makes PTS not worth running since you're likely to get hit troughout the course of the game and PTS requires you to be with a teammate on a gen to get the same 9% benefit. (Not to mention Resi applies the boost to *everything*)

Adren and Hope - more often than not, reward you for something you didn't do, I dont understand how can anyone call adren and hope balanced when they grant you effects because someone else a mile away popped the last gen. (Even worse when adren SAVES THE ACTIVATION for when you're unhooked / dropped)

The game is designed around a 60% Killrate, or 7-8 Hooks.

By design 2 people are meant to die while 2 are meant to escape, with the escapees having 1-2 hook states on them.

By design Tiles are balanced around 115/110 vs 100, any deviation will benefit one side extremely hard.

Common knowledge that a 110 killer chasing around a Long wall Gym or T/L will have a hard time playing said tile , however, MFT + resi turns these tiles from hard to impossible just because you got outplayed and hit.

Point still remains, No perk should provide free, unconditional and permanent buffs to basekit.

> Like if you play killer well, you will proc pain res on average at least couple times per match

Pain res is on a scourge hook condition, sometimes the white hooks dont spawn where you found a surv and downed them (theres only 4 of them) + the chance of hitting a fresh gen with a 25% and wasting the use. Value is quite literally not guaranteed.

>same with jolt, same with sloppy and any other perk top used perk.

Jolt triggers on M1 dowms only , some killers can't even use the perk at all or cannot use their main power , like nurse , bubba, hillbilly ,huntress, trickster etc. effect is limited to a 32m radius around the M1 downed person sometimes triggers on non-progressed gens, meaning it was 0 value.

can be countered by simply running away from your gen, takes you about 8 seconds to make enough distance from the gen to not get it hit with an 8% regression.

Sloppy - Only triggers on M1 attack If you got injured you're most likely being chased, if you're being chased, you're going down by game design, perk literally had no effect during the chase. again, same killer restrictions as Jolt to proc the effect.

Perk adds a mere 4 seconds to heal time, meaning you have only 4 extra seconds to interrupt a heal, thats all the "value" is concentrated at, a mere 4 second window to interrupt a heal , across the map.

MFT and Resi will still activate regardless of m1, m2 or insta down , will still be providing value out of hook, you can 99% the heal with a medkit and get perk value + full health value for free.

You've still failed to come up with a killer perk that buffs basekit permanentely.

like i've said previously, MFT and resi is the equivalent of pop making ALL of your kicks regress 30% after getting ONE hook.

I'll give you a free one, you have Brutal strength that makes Breaks and gen kicks go a bit faster, with no requirement.

but the effect is so minimal its not even worth the perk slot.

"just dont down them near a pallet 4head"

do you have any idea how many pallets spawn in some maps? not to mention survivors literally B-lining to a tile.

and like the example i've stated above, you have someone with a flashlight waiting for the open area pickup to get a free flashy save. Meaning you have to chase the flashy and concede the possible pallet crawl.

 "Plenty of killer powers, perks, and add ons can make you undetectable or survivors oblivious and getting the jump on those using the selfcare/resilience build is the best way to counter it. You can also just negate MFT and Resilience through use of exposed."

The game is balanced around a Perkless state, if perks require counter perks, theres a severe underlying balancing problem.

Not every killer has insta downs , and having to bring X perk to counter survivor meta is not a balanced game state, because as you might guess, some people dont have ALL the perks at their disposal.

"Dark theory speed boost bad"

If the speed boost was that bad, I wonder why people run MFT. Surely isn't for the free haste uh.

1. if you have to play Specific killer X in order to nullify a perk, it indicates the perk is not balanced for the rest of the cast.
2. Thats literally how the game goes, you get hook 1 , chase and try to down 2, while 3 goes for save, by definition, hook 1 will get off the hook in the injured state.
3. If you "shouldn't be chasing people that use mft" and everyone is running MFT at the moment, how exactly are you suppose play the game if you use a chase killer. (Do not suggest perk loadouts, because as i've stated, not everyone has all the perks at their disposal and it signifies an underlying balancing problem if you need to bring X to counter Y).
4. Like i've stated before, Resi+MFT are the equivalent to a scourge hook making all hooks a white hook, you'd be expected to get value out Scourge hook because per game design, you're meant to get injured and in contrast, get hooked, hence being injured is not a valid condition for a permanent buff to basekit.

No, its not how the game works and by design it cannot be, otherwise, as stated before, theres an underlying balancing problem.

If you have to spend 10$ to get a character in order to unlock their perks to stay competitive / Up to date with the current meta, that is not ok and needs to be adressed.

Survivors need to worry less about killer perks due to the fact that

1. theres only 1 killer with 4 perks.
2. Killer perks currently revolve around Aura close/aura far or Gen defence , with a couple of Chase oriented perks like Bambozle while stronger Hex perks can be removed from play without requiring a specific perk to find them.
3. There isn't a single "assumed killer basekit build" like MFT+Resi , or Hope and Adren for survs (or Old DH for example).

Thanks for once again, stating the absurdity of MFT granting you a 3% boost PLUS endurance on any healing action for free when a previous perk that provided 2% required a boon + Limited range.

1. The MFT 3% is not fine, when that 3% back then was considered subtle cheating, having a perk that enables you to "subtle cheat" is infact, a problem. that 3% boost breaks so many loops its not even funny.
2. MFTs 3% directly affects 110s and low-mobility 115 killers disporportionately.
3. Injured is free, its part of intentional game progression that you'll be hit once, get injured, then hit again. MFT and Resi provide extreme value inbetween those 2 hits which is where the problem lies. (With resi providing better value than PTS if you escape after the first hit)
4. Dont assume someone is a "bad player" just because they point out a blatantly flawed perk even by dev logic. If a 2% demands a boon and limited range, then a 3% being free is a problem.
5. Plently of killers did "just fine" vs old DH, but still old DH was problematic with the DH for pallet/Window/Distance mechanic.

Im perfectly fine with perks that reward you for good plays, WGLF is a good example of a perfectly balanced perk on its own, you get a flashy, take a prot hit, etc etc, and you get the ability to use the perk.

Current Buckle up is the opposite, it provides the same endurance as WGLF, also applies to the healer, and doesn't require any previous "play" to enable it. Its a straight upgrade to the base mechanic of picking someone off the ground. This is problematic.