Do you really think Adrenaline is problematic perk?

If gens were harder to complete, it would be fine. But right now, it's practically guaranteed on an efficient team.

WoO is actually too strong in it's current for though. It plays part of the game for you. Pathing is crucial as a survivor and WoO literally does your pathing for you now.

It needs to go back to having a cool down honestly. Removing the cool down made it too good. It was good before the buff. People just slept on it. After the buff people got WoO pilled.

It's perfectly fine. - It is inconventient for a killer and can be a late/end game game changer --- but it only becomes a real punch in the gut for a killer if it's 4x stacked. That's not a problem with the perk though but with how little options there are. Before anything is done to Adrenaline it would be much healthier to first have a look at viable end game options for surv. Atm that's essentially Adrenaline and Hope. Wake Up and No One Left Behind are decent niche perks but usually don't make a difference; considering that you give up a perkslot for the majority of the match you don't get much in return. --- Since there will be new survivors there will be plenty future perks. Why not diversify the options first, see if that has an impact to diversify builds. And if it doesn't then adjust the perks.

TBH, I personally think the perk is pretty much fine... it's a 1 time use, and thus has to be strong at end game to be worth taking it. I think a lot the hate comes from the slew of endurance effects available to survivors, making this perk feel even more punishing for killers... We have No Way out, Blood Warden, NOED, ofc, however if you aren't running these things, you've basically lost already, there isn't a great deal you can do to recover the game at this point.

My only real gripe if anything is that a whole team running it gets the full value, meaning everyone is immediately in prime escape position and halfway to the gates before the killer can really move anywhere. Any attempts to change it imo should endeavour to: -

1. Grant more value to the person who is currently occupying the killer.
2. Limit the power given to people not occupying the killer and doing gens.
3. Preferably make it a little more interesting for build variety.

1 rework I've harped on repeatedly in changing the 5s buff to exhaustion recovery so you can take your exhaustion perk of choice. This means if you are in chase, you get your perk back to use (as your exhaustion is probably gone already), and people not in chase don't get their 5s boost regardless, they need to activate their exhaustion perk, which they probably have anyway.

Alternatively if you did actually want to NERF Adrenaline for real, make it so it only affects survivors within the killer terror radius (healing, speed and all). Again, more benefit to the person currently occupying the killer. This would make it feel much more fair, and could be pretty clutch while the team is slugged... but wouldn't feel as bad as the whole team rubber banding from all wounded regardless of where they are in the map.

i think its problematic, the "just win early lol" perk. endgames are so miserable to killers with even endgame perks. surv endgame perks are almost guarantes free escapes if played right. killers literally cant do anything if 4 adrelaniles in the lobby, yeah sure skill issue killer played badly but maybe he dosent played it that badly and he could kill at least 1 or 2, but no, adrealine and everyone is out. these perks should have a counterplay or something.

This perk has already been nerfed. Healing two health states was arguably OP but it's fine now. If it gets nerfed anymore it'll be useless. But I know that's what a lot of people want.

Yeah, I think it is a little much. For one, its ability to wake you up against Freddy should be removed. No perk on either side should have direct interactions with specific killers imo and Adrenaline is the worst remaining offender of that. Several other perks have already lost these interactions (eg. Small Game and Slippery Meat don’t work with traps anymore, and Franklin’s/Hoarder no longer works with killer-specific items) and Adrenaline shouldn’t be an exception.

Further, I think an instant heal AND a 5 second speedboost is too punishing to the killer especially if there are multiple in play, which I think often ends up being the strongest against killers that play nice and don’t tunnel. That said, it is a one-time use perk and it should still have a rewarding effect. Imo, there are two ways this could be changed:

-Reduce the speedboost to 3 seconds. This will reduce the time needed for the killer to catch up to the survivor if Adrenaline triggers in chase.

OR

-Keep the speedboost at 5 seconds, but you only get the speedboost if you are healthy before Adrenaline triggers. If you are injured or downed, you instantly heal 1 health state as normal, but you do not get a speedboost. You still become Exhausted in both cases.

I believe either of these options will reduce its strength but keep the perk rewarding as a one-time effect.

What alternate universe did you come from because Adrenaline has literally never been nerfed.

NOTE: I apologise for the large amount of text, but this is a hot and complex topic, so one can't afford to half explain their thought process. Hope you bear with me!

I'm saying it's fine imo balance wise... without other busted perk combos like BU-FTP in end game amplifying killer frustration.

However the speed AND health state makes it pretty unforgiving for the Killer in the end game not running the counters... which is why it gets the hatred it does. The counter argument to this ofc is, you didn't take an end game perk, so your early/mid game should be stronger, if you made it here to end game, you didn't push your advantage while you had it... but that logic gets into debates about gen-rushing and Killer tunnelling, and the fact that kilelrs have 4 perks while survivors collectively have 16... Killers can't counter everything, so they need to prevent people getting their Adrenaline value while they can... so it depends what you want to incentivise.

My personal vote is for a rework for recovery from exhaustion instead of 5s flat haste across the board. The free health state is certainly NOT a weak perk bonus even if the exhaustion recovery doesn't help you, and you're probably running an exhaustion perk with it anyway. This means you can choose the form your Adrenaline takes. Take Sprint Burst for basically the same as it is now, but if you want Lithe, or BL, or Head On (if you're a nut case), you can. You still get your health state, and your preferred boost... and you get the benefit of being able to trigger your boost when you want rather than only when the gen pops, at the cost of it not being QUITE as strong. That's hardly destroyed, and ofc the rest of survivors who didn't get the value from the exhaustion recovery... they have their exhaustion perk anyway.... so its no foul regardless.

The second suggestion is a nerf for sure... but that suggestion is for if you want a true nerf to it that doesn't interfere with the perks primary value, which is helping the looping survivor gain health progress and gain great distance on the killer towards the exit gates, It benefits the people who are actually in danger currently, while the ones in safety are hopefully opening the gates, missing out of the value, giving an element of risk vs. reward.

Personally I think it's fine, for all the reasons most have given here.

I would like to see the stats on it being run vs. actually activating, perhaps broken down by MMR too. That would be a better guide to me as to it's effectiveness, whether it's a perk problem or an efficient team problem, or much more likely not a major problem.

I was wrong about what was nerfed but it was nerfed. It didn't originally cause you to be exhausted because exhaustion didn't exist when it was released. So you're wrong too 😉

Its not more problematic than NOED.

So no, i don´t think Adrenaline is problematic.

I don't even think WoO is all that useful unless you're fairly inexperienced. People calling it OP is kinda funny, imo.

Adrenaline is strong, but there's also no guarantee you're going to get any value out of it, so there's risk in even running it. For every time it comes in clutch, there's 2-3 times where you get absolutely nothing out of it.

Also, I feel like it's always been meta, or at least since I started playing in 2019. I don't really think it's any more common then it ever was.

I mean it also got the ability to be put on hold whenever you were being carried or hooked on that same patch. I'd say that's a net buff overall :P

Can we please stop complaining about the survivor perks? If you want to try and nerf every survivor perk, A LOT of people will stop playing. I understand some perks can be good, but if you want to talk about nerfing survivor perks, please also give examples of killer perks that could be nerfed as well. I’m seeing too many killers say “nerf this perk” “nerf that perk” constantly, but will never say that a killer perk is too good. Spine chill, PTS, dead hard, etc. every perk survivors use killers will say it’s unfair. As for adrenaline, the perk only activates once the survivors get all gens done, so it makes total sense to get a little reward especially since you're gambling with the perk to even make it to end game. Stop trying to get every survivor perk nerfed because you will eventually have a few live survivors and all bots. This game is not suppose to be easy. I’m at 1300 hours and I’m still not even that great lol

EDIT: Also, IMO spine chill is a beginner perk. I used it as a beginner because I wasn’t used to the game and was too scared lol but I haven’t run that perk in a very long time