Promised anti-camping mechanic

How would they implement this? Surely this will just lead to campers/tunnelers playing as Wesker, going away from the hook a small distance, then just dash back the second there's an unhook? Most Wesker's do this religiously anyway as it is! Will just lead to even more hate than he has got recently as people realise hanging around the hook with, say clown and his bottles for example, is useless if that update ever happened.

The Pinky Finger needs a full on rework, agreed. As for chainsaws and other insta down abilities, you can't solve this problem quite so easy. If Bubba's chainsaw is deactivated within a 5 metres range around the hook, then he'll just wait 5.1 metres away and down both of you immediately after the unhook. So you'd have to increase the radius. 8 metres and we'd still have the same problem. 10 metres would still not change it.

12 metres might actually do something because then you'd have a realistic chance to unhook before you go down. But 12 metres is also quite a lot. Especially on The Game, Midwich and RPD this would be highly abusable because this radius would work across different floors. When Bubba carries you down the basement stairs then it is a fact that you will die down there, if it is his wish. Any potential fix would cause more problems than it would solve. At least until the announced self-unhook mechanic is added.

They could change something about the base BT though that would help a bit. Base BT should make the survivor lose collision with the killer. That way it would at least be a bit harder to turn 1 basement hook into 2. It would also solve another issue (BT bodyblocks => tunneling).

They said it’s coming sometime this year

I’m not gonna lie, EVERY SINGLE GAME that I have played this past week has been killers camping, tunneling, and bleeding. I totally get when it’s a killer here or there doing it, but c’mon. This is getting to be a little too much. It will be at the start of game or after we pop one gen. I even have recordings of it because it got to be too much. Even killers just sitting there throwing bottles at me or singularity shooting his eggs or whatever at me while I’m bleeding out. It’s getting out of hand. I haven’t seen any survivors being toxic and I will be the one to say when survivors are being toxic. We get it, everyone wants event bps but there becomes a point where it becomes too much.

I don’t think killers understand that’s our main objective during this event. It’s the event offering for us to get extra bps after completing gens. Only this event have I seen “gen rushing”. Even when survivors aren’t gen rushing, killers claim “well idk what your progress is on gens” as if that’s an excuse. It’s also a reason why they are trying to push BBQ&C for this event. This whole thing about killers having to “apply pressure” has been overused. If anything the survivors have been putting pressure on the killers with trying to do their objective. I personally think killers are so used to winning and getting what they want, that they can’t handle when gens get done fast. This isn’t for every killer either. Like I said before I’m ok with the bleeding, tunneling, camping etc when it’s last resort and it’s not every game I play.

I don't see a problem with it from the killers side. Issue I have with surviver is I will run the killer all 5 gens and once the doors open finally get caught, and as soon as the door gets opened all 3 "teammates" will immediately leave. As both a killer and a surviver I hate survivers. Ether being crap teammates or being toxic to the killer win or lose. I say a change needs to be made to survivers so they are better at helping each other. Can't tell you how many times I've died on 1st hook cuz no one came. But if you only care about killers leaving the hook, then encourage buffs to killer perks that encourage leaving like devour hope. When I run that I always sprint as far from the hook as fast as possible.

I could be wrong, but I swear it was sometime this fall. Hopefully soon, it's a desperately needed feature.

while i do want that mechanic to finally do not allow people to just face camping with deadlock and stuff over and over.

I rather prefer that to be delayed a bit more untill other topics get fixed like the current unhealthy MFT situation.

as far as i know that mechanic if it is the same we heared on the anniversary stream , its gonna be terrible and easily abusable for survivor on many maps with gens near to hooks and forcing the killer to lose when the survivor is the one doing a bad play.

best example lets see if I hook a guy in the shack (NOT BASEMENT) and another guy loops that area intentionally, it means that as long as I keep chasing that guy , the other guy that is hooked is gonna be able to unhook themself for free?

(if "YES" thats gonna be awful)

Yes you really didn't get the example.

What they mean is if the Anti-Camp mechanic with "self free unhook if the killer stays in a certain radius" without "unless you are in a chase".

One survivor (A) on hook around shack (not even in the basement), another (B) loops the killer for 20-30 seconds through and around shack (not unrealistic even without god pallet), then thanks to Anti-Camp mechanic survivor A gets off the hook and killer hasn't gotten survivor B.

So with this the killer ends with nothing and the survivor maybe with an injury but nothing else.

Did I get that right?

Oh and also since you (@EvilSerje) want to preferably "cut out" camping AND tunneling from the game, the killer can't even try to get the unhooked survivor down, so they most probably Bodyblock for the looper and the killer really end with nothing to show for it, hence the unhook would be "free".

best example lets see if I hook a guy in the shack (NOT BASEMENT) and another guy loops that area intentionally, it means that as long as I keep chasing that guy , the other guy that is hooked is gonna be able to unhook themself for free?

(if "YES" thats gonna be awful)

So we don't know the time a killer can be around the hook, or the range, which will impact this, but as @EvilSerje said I don't see the problem.

1: If there is a survivor that can loop you for that long and in that small of a space, you are probably in trouble anyway.

2: It's a risky play on their part. If the survivor trying to loop gets downed their team is in a lot of trouble.

3: Even if you run into a situation where the survivor could loop you in that small of space, you don't have to stay there. There are two other survivors out there healing or doing gens that you can go find if you are in a bad spot.

Hitting a bodyblocking survivor wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for bad map design.

buddy u forgot that things like styptic on medkits , or even a syringe play can happen on shack if someone loops that , drops the pallet , get fully heal and keeps running around shack , and because of the anti-camp stuff they might be able to even get a free unhook on those cases. which is something am worried , because yeah on solo Q it might not happen that often but on SWF is gonna be annoying as hell.

thats gonna be a nightmare mostly on RPD - Garden of joy , etc.

the thing is that they are adding an anti-camp mechanic first when survivor had reassurance instead of fixing the problematic maps first which is bad , also knowing that MFT are making those maps even more broken.

I didn't read the whole topic, but from my view it's always the survivor's fault. 8 out of 10 of my games as survivor, my teammates are bricks who always throw the game one way or another. 1 out of those games it's me who throws the game and the remaining other one is one teammate who loops the killer for several gens and gets the game.

I can't express how tired and annoyed I am at my fellow survivors. It really makes me want to quit playing the game but I know I will not because there's no other game like DbD.

And as for killer, I used to have pretty decent matches in which I could win by working it hard but as of last month, I'm getting stomped every other game. And yeah, on the rare occassion I tunnel it's because of a survivor trying to abuse basekit BT for bodyblocking and gets what they were coming for, just to whine and be toxic about it later.

Sure, there are a bunch of overly abusive killers out there, but most of the times if my teammates did something even remotely intelligent we could stand a chance.

Edit: Definitely it's survivors who're taking the fun out of this game.

A lot of people seem to be forgetting the specifics of the system BHVR proposed, and in addition, not understanding that the specific values of those effects will make a big difference.

For starters, the zone in which the killer will be penalised for occupying is graduated. I believe the distances they gave us were within 10m, 10-16m and further than 16m. The point of this is so that a killer can’t straddle the 10m line to avoid the penalty altogether, as a mix of -10m and 10-16m will still incur the penalty, but a mix of 10-16m and 16m+ won’t.

Secondly, other survivors being within those zones will reduce the rate, on a per-survivor basis.

Hypothetical examples:

• The gauge to unhook yourself requires 50 charges.
• The killer being in the 10-16m zone charges this gauge by 1c/s
• The killer being within the 10m zone charges it by 1.5c/s
• The gauge doesn’t begin charging for 5 seconds to allow the killer to leave the area.

This would mean a proxy camp at 10-16 meters would have to last 55 seconds (most of the 60 second timer) before the survivor could self-unhook, giving them a 5 second window to unhook. It would only take the killer ducking out to further than 16m for 5 seconds to deny an unhook attempt before they lost a hook state.

However, if the killer facecamped within the 10m inner zone the gauge would charge in 33.3 seconds, allowing the survivor to self-unhook as early as 38 seconds into their first hook state.

• Each survivor within the 10-16m zone reduces the rate by 0.125c/s
• Each survivor within the 10m zone reduces the rate by 0.5c/s

This would mean if a survivor was looping the killer around a hook within that 10-16m intermediate zone, it would take 57 seconds of charge before the survivor could unhook themselves, or 62 seconds in total. So, the hooked survivor would not being able to unhook before they lost a hook state.

But if another survivor was looping within 10m of the hook, that would extend to 55 seconds, but again, it would only take the killer to maintain his loop at further than 10 meters to prevent this. Two survivors within that 10m zone would push it well over 60 seconds, and essentially prevent the self-unhook within the first hook state again.

If the killer can’t catch the looping survivor within 55 seconds, then by all rights they deserve to lose the hook. A 55 second loop around a hook just doesn’t happen, it takes chaining multiple loops to last that long. This will only happen if the killer is actively facecamping and dropping chase periodically.

These hypothetical values I think would be close to a ‘sweet spot’, but of course they’re just the first values that came to mind so I’m sure there’s a more optimal system that BHVR are closer to themselves. The point is, you can change these values, such as increasing or decreasing the required charges from 50 to 60 or 40, and the c/s, as necessary, to achieve the effect you want, whereby facecampers are penalised but killers not facecamping aren’t.

I'm usually sceptical about these things, all other anti-camping measures tested have been abused, and there's always a chance BHVR don't get the values right. But I think this proposed system has a lot of potential to actually work this time.

This is still much better than it is currently.

What happens currently when you get facecamped? You hang there completely passively with nothing to do for 120 seconds, not partaking in any gameplay, then you die. Or, you give up and Bubba eliminates someone in a matter of seconds, lets say around 20 by the time you realise you're getting camped and take your chances and give up.

What would happen? Is that after 59 seconds of hanging on the hook, you get to play again guaranteed. You get to run for around 10-60 seconds depending on how long you manage to stay up. Even if you go straight back on the hook, you then get the chance to do it again in another 59 seconds. You've now occupied the killer for between 140 and 240 seconds instead of between 20 and 120 seconds. You've scored two lots of unhook BP scores plus extra chase time, and given your team mates enough time to repair more gens. You've been given and incentive to stay in the game instead of giving up, and achieved more for it.

The whole idea of it having two graduated zones is so it's not easy to 'game' the system. No one is going to be noting when they're 10 and 16 meters away from the hook, and looping a killer directly above/below a hook on a 2-floor map is going to be very situational and easily avoided by the killer.

Why do people keep suggesting shared hook states? This would be awful, it would promote tunnelling even more.

Just as a bad survivor can feed a Myers his stalk, every game would just be bad survivors feeding the killer the whole teams shared hook states until everyone is suddenly on death hook without ever having been hooked once.

I don't know where you got the idea that 'allowing the killer to tunnel the same person even more' would somehow 'prevent tunnelling'.

So your suggestion is to create esoteric “punishment zones” for the Killer, that aren’t easily understood or noticed, to instill an underlying bias that they cannot stay near survivors once they’re hooked. Just so survivors can preferably at minimum maximize hook economy, and at most gain a time efficiency advantage without any effort whatsoever on their part, while not addressing proxy camping, high mobility Killers, chokepoints, patrol routes in relation to generators remaining, or map elevation?

An unclear, passive, AoE based mechanic that promotes Killer uncertainty/anxiety over approaching a hooked survivor is not what I think would help the game, nor would it introduce any novelty.