Knightlight, one of the best DBD players in the world, says that MFT is op and needs a nerf

I see both of you ignored the part where I said "You want to troll post ("Discuss."), you get a troll answer.", indicating this was clearly meant to be a grain of truth said in an inflammatory nature. But I'll bite to these responses.

My view is Skill + Tools = Results. If you bring skill, like mindgaming, or macro gameplay knowledge such as when to drop chase, you get better results. Tools, such as a bike, can also yield better results. Another way to look at this is Tools can be knowing what to do, and Skill can be knowing when to do it. In this case, once you learn to ride the bike that is Blight/Nurse/Spirit, you have a high tools value. You wouldn't count someone using a Sabo toolbox with no add-ons on gens as a genrusher (the one that gives 10% speed per charge, compared to the normal 50%, or Engineers 100%.), because they don't know how to use their tools. You also wouldn't count someone 99'ing hook sabos (thinking it saves progress for later like it used to years ago), or using the flashlight to see in dark areas (because they think "what else would a flashlight be used for?"), because they aren't using the tools correctly. Once you learn to use the tools, it is in the tools value, and skill can be added on top of that. With a weaker kit, or lower Tools value, you need more Skill to raise your results. With a stronger kit, someone can win without utilizing skill. One final note is Results is compared to your opposition's Results equation, based on their Skill and Tools. If you have more 'Results' score than your opponents, you have a varying degree of a win. It may be a 1k, it may be a 3k+hatch, it may be a 4k at 5 gens, and each of those cases is roughly determined by comparing your 'Results' to your opponents.

There is a skill floor to ride a bike, but it is far lower than most people are willing to admit. Learning how to play Blight/Nurse/Spirit is more than their counterparts, but yield far more 'Tools' value than their counterparts. The skill floor here is where people tend to point to and claim "you need skill to play them", which while true, is misleading. Again, would you count a Survivor with a half empty medkit healing into hemorrhage without a teammate nearby to be riding their bike correctly? I wouldn't think so. I wouldn't include someone who doesn't know how to attack as Killer, or how to progress gens as Survivor, so why is this included in the discussion with those Killers? In this case, the 'skill-floor', is more accurately a 'knowledge-floor'. If they don't know, they can't play. Many Killers utilize the basic M1 framework, which is transferable knowledge. Each of these Killers might be able to utilize varying degrees of transferable knowledge, but mostly require actually learning their power for success. Again, is a Bubba who refuses to use M2 still Bubba, or is he simply 'man with hammer'.

So lets take an example. If a Wraith and a Blight are going against the same enemy Survivor team, and the Survivor team has 50 Skill Points and 50 Tools points, with 100 Results points altogether. The Blight may have a Tools value of 75, and the Wraith has a Tools value of 35. For the Wraith to win, he would need more than 65 Skill points to leverage the equation in his favor, but the Blight only needs more than 25 Skill points to do the same. If the Wraith brought 60 Skill Points, and the Blight brought 30, the Blight gets a 3k, and the Wraith gets a 1k, despite the Wraith being near twice as skilled. That is the normal realm of standard DBD matchmaking. Only when we deal with the extremes of comp DBD, do we ever reach 200 Skill Points on both sides, where the Killer needs to fully leverage the Tools value to be higher than the Survivors in order to win.

Results are what matter, but people tend to think 'Tools' count as 'Skill' when it is Blight, but not when it is the perk Hope. If that theoretical 50 pallet eating Pig got a 4k without camping or tunneling, they most certainly brought more 'Skill' than 'Tools', at least in comparison to their opposition. She might have pressured every gen while keeping the Survivors forced to run past headtrap boxes. She may have eaten the pallets, so that she could use it as a deadzone later. It also is strange to consider MfT giving a raw stat boost of .12m/s over the baseline counts as a crutch, but the Spirit 2.64m/s, Blight 4.6m/s, and Nurse 9.48m/s boosts over their respective baselines (albeit with differing degrees of limitations, but with more to gain [even only in utility] than lose by those limitations) apparently simply don't count. Also keep in mind this is all coming from the source of a player (Knightlight) who won 34/37 matches as an M1 Killer with no power, tunneling, camping, or excessive slugging. This player is clearly not near anyone's skill level in the normal matches found in DBD. That's why I say 'Skill' with a Killer can be found in far greater quantities when not using Killers with exorbitant 'Tools' values. If you basically can't lose (see Momo's Blight streak expressly utilizing tunneling), you can't tell how much 'Skill' you actually have.

Top Killers and strong perks are 'Tools' portions of the equation. A crutch is a tool, just as these are. If you fight as an unarmed blind monk and win, you did far better in terms of 'Skill' than the person who used a minigun or a rocket launcher. You may have raised your 'Skill' in using the minigun, but that doesn't change the fact you brought a minigun.

They should've mentioned tombstone Myers as well. I didn't even pay attention to them listing Pyramid Head lol. I just saw the Sadako and Rancor and my mind skipped away from the rest.

Speed shouldn't stack, imo.

This. The cognitive dissonance with the "DbD should be casual crowd" is wild. All the things people are generally complaining about are the non-competitive things or the casual elements. And then in the same breath they'll say DbD should be more casual. The DbD community has a unique brain rot. Its like players want all the benefits of a competitive experience but don't want to put in any of the effort.

How is posting my observations dishonest? Also Knightlight is a good Nurse yes, he can play any of the top tier killers at a very high level but the reason I put Zaka above him is because Zaka could play literally any killer and be a menace to a level I don't think Knightlight could like I've seen Zaka play Dredge and Ghost Face at a level I've never seen anyone else match which in comp you're kind of expected to play every killer at a high level so yes best killer player is something that's observable. As far as survivor goes I've just not been impressed with it when Knightlight goes into soloQ, it's a lot of complaining and a surprising amount of mistakes. Compare this to say Ayrun who seems like they know every tile perfectly and yes I definitely don't feel Knightlight's survivor gameplay could be called "the best" by any metric.

Survivor for solo queue and survivor for comp are different animals. Solo queue is more of a 1v1v1v1v1 and comp is a true 4v1. What works in one setting can be really bad in another setting and vice versa. Running a tile is 50% of survivor skill. I've seen some really good loopers end up sitting in comp because their macro sense is awful.

Yes, sure, just stick to the same logic when it comes to Nurse and Blight. Because average player is trash with them.

Just because someone is considered a top pro player doesn't mean we need to take their word as holy writ. You have to also remember the MMR and the games that these players are used to and how little of the actual playing community falls into said MMR. While you can definitely take some advice from comp player, you cannot just accept what they say simply because they say it

Closing this thread here; as this thread has gone off topic, as well as getting into bashing content creators, which is not allowed here on the Forums.