General consensus on indoor maps?

I like them, rpd sucks but the rest are nice

I am actually kinda mad that they havent used Alien for a PURE Indoor-Map at the spaceship. Such a waste of potential (the new map is ok, far better than Borgo and Toba, but after Hawkins-Loss there was 0,0 compensation. And no, I dont count the RPD-Split.

I like Midwich and Lery's fine enough, but I hate RPD and The Game. Though I still have trouble finding generators on Midwich half the time.

It depends. I don't mind them as a survivor but when I play Billy indoor maps are always boring to play. There are very few chances to play around with many killers powers other than brute forcing.

The worst offender in my opinion is RPD. Brute force your way through, turn off your brain and you will probably perform pretty good. But try to get a bit more creative and go for ambitious plays and it won't work out.

You missed Midwich.

The problem with indoor maps is that they don't really work well with the gameplay. You cannot really use crows or scratchmarks to track survivors, some indoor maps have the haddonfield fence syndrom where you know exactly where the survivor is but you have to go around and waste so much time that they are basically at the other end of the map.

I hate every single one of them because they are all terrible. For killer and for survivor, and I don't think not liking them has anything to do with being killer or survivor sided, they just limit gameplay in some very annoying aspects.

The Game - 20 safepallets basically pallet kick simulator and most of them are so safe and have good visibility that you cannot mind game them as an m1 killer, fairly good visibility in the upper floor, but rather bad downstairs.

Midwich - hold W simulator if you see the killer on the other end of the corridor, the loops itself are mostly alright but it has the same issues as every other indoor map that you cannot really track survivors with crows and far away scratchmarks, also sometimes getting up or down just takes way too long because of the limited stairs and drops, so you can be right below a gen that is being worked on but you need to walk for another 30 seconds to get there.

Lerys - haddonfield fence problem when there is a room with limited openings and it can spawn some ridiculous window alignments that makes it really rough to chase, same as all maps with rough time spotting scrath marks in the distance and tracking via crows.

RPD - has some really annoying safe pallets and once again the haddonfield fence issue that oftentimes gives survivors so much of a headstart.

As survivor those maps often seem to be confusing in finding generators or which tiles have already been used and as killer they are really annoying from a tracking standpoint and getting to places since you often need to walk a rather massive way to get to a point.

When I play survivor on the game I just never feel like I outplayed the killer when I last long in chase because I don't really have to think about a clever way to loop them or where my ressources are because there is just so many of them and they are all safe. It is just so boring. With Lerys it is often weird as to which door is open in specific rooms and if got lucky so I can reach the tile in time before getting hit.

Just in general as killer as well as Survivor Indoor maps are terrible, you oftentimes just don't see farther than you can throw which makes it really annoying guess when the killer is actually coming or how far the survivors will get and how many possibilities they have to hide.

Sure those maps are great for stealth killers but that again enables some boring gameplay where you basically no visualy or audio until you get hit or grabbed (which basically never happens bc of whatever anymore?), so the chase ends before it begins.

I'm really glad they didn't make more indoor maps, because none of them are fun to play on for me, neither as killer nor survivor.

It is not about the safe pallet my man, it is that you can see the killer, possibly even stay out of chase and have him chase you for 60 cm/s gain around a 40m long path that ends in a god pallet he eventually has to kick...

Now image an M1 killer like pig, there is no fun in such a chase.

Enduring Spirit fury get's countered by pre dropping, Brutal Strengh is not enough because you basically have pallets back to back, there is even a rather old clip of Hens where the killer gets spirit fury, but the pallets in the game spawn so dense that he just has two pallets back to back and can drop another one before he gets hit, stuff like that should never happen.

I wouldn't call Pig scary, her Dash is kind of outdated and barely works because people just run away as soon as you crouch and for some god awfull reason her reverse bear traps are what makes special now and not the chase power, which I find really sad.

What has it to do with a comp setting when two pallets just happen to be there back to back??

I'd very much like indoor maps, but so far none are conducive to both survivors and killers. Their designs suffer in one aspect or another.

Midwich: A hook desert for killers and can be difficult to locate gens/totems for survivors. Otherwise a big square. Easy mode for Nurse and Doctor.

The Game: For most killers, pallet, pallet, pallet, pallet, window, pallet, pallet, pallet, pallet, fall through floor, pallet, pallet, pallet, etc. For survivor, you can get trapped in certain areas if the breakable doors are up and it can be easy to get three-genned depending on RNG and which pallets get broken. Easy mode for Nurse, only a little more difficult for Doctor.

RPD: Just awful and widely disliked by both survivors and most killers. Lots of small rooms/hallways broken up by sharp angles and pallets/drops. Two gens spawn in the lobby. Plus since it got split this PoS is now twice as likely to show up. Mostly easy mode for Nurse and Dredge, a bit more difficult for Doctor.

This isn't to say that the outdoor maps are all that inspiring, just that the indoor maps are so much worse.

I really wish they'd try outsourcing their map building, or have guest map makers like they have guest cosmetics designers.

Edit: Forgot to add Lery's. I don't even know where to begin with this. Although it can be problematic for both sides, it's absolute hell for killers. If you're an M1 killer without any special abilities to get around fast or down fast, just AFK. You'll have so much more fun.

I would disagree about RPD being easy mode for Nurse ^^ Your Blinks get swallowed so often, this map is really terrible as Nurse, arguable her worst, even worse than Lerys and Nobody wants to play Nurse on this :D

rpd Is absolutely horrendous it’s the only time I’ve died on hook because my teammates genuinely didn’t know how to get to me because it was that confusing

Most people tend not to like them, but in part that is because there is more to learn, and when you lose because you didn't know how to play it feels bad. Lery's has a bunch of windows, which limits many powers, but it also is the smallest map at 6272 Sq/m, with the 2nd smallest being Midwich at 7,264 Sq/m, and the honorary indoor map Toba Landing at 3rd smallest at 8,320 Sq/m (with Nostromo set to be in between Midwich and Toba). The smallest 'proper' outdoor map is Coal Tower at 8,448 Sq/m. The smaller the map, the better it typically is for Killer, because you spend less time seeking and more time chasing. So while for Survivors, the map is small and favoring Killer, for Killers, it is hard to use many powers, so it feels like hold-W in a maze simulator.

Also many indoor maps have limited (Midwich) or excessive resources (Gideons), so when you are indoors, it either feels like you run out of pallets in 10 seconds, or 10 years. So when someone complains about pallets on indoor maps, you can tell if it is a Survivor complaint with Midwich, or a Killer complaint with Gideons. Along the same lines, new (and even experienced) players can have a nightmare of a time to find totems in the case of boons or hexes, yet you can also get your Devour Hope to spawn in the Midwich Library that every Survivor runs past 3 times in a match.

With multi-story maps, the best way to survive is to pre-run. But if the Survivor pre-runs the wrong way, they lose massive time in chase. At the same time, try chasing someone as Deathslinger on Midwich when they pre-run the correct direction, it is pain. As a result, some Survivors have to resort to hiding to not risk the pre-run. Indoor maps have plentiful hiding spots, and if the Killer didn't bring Nowhere to Hide, it can be a pain to seek them out. Although if the Killer is aware enough or brought good perks, it makes it a cakewalk.

To add on to the learning aspect, Gideon's is one of the only maps to have generator tied map changes. People can easily find a gen or approach from the correct side as Killer, if they know the map spawning logic. I forget off the top of my head, but I believe the top floor has the gens ONLY spawn clockwise from doors, and the bottom floor has the gens ONLY spawn counter-clockwise from the doors. Once the gen is completed the door opens. Knowing this helps immensely for both sides. Not knowing this makes the map feel all the more like a maze.

I personally enjoy them for variety sake, and it is neat to learn 'how' Gideons works. At the same time you can see in each situation how if you are on the bad end of it, it sucks miserably. Due to most people having built-in Negativity Bias, both sides are remembering the time the indoor map was painful, but not realizing when it made the match easy for them. Also I feel as though indoor maps are good for hit and run Stealth Killers, but are bad for Ghosty. You need to 99 stalks as Ghosty, and they can see/hear you on indoor maps when you can stalk them, making that harder. Outdoor maps you can get an easy 30-40m stalk and they never know any better. Even if you get the 99 stalk on an indoor map, they know, which changes how they play.

They're killer-sided in low skill lobbies, then become more survivor sided as the player skill increases. With a certain killer build or stealth tactic, it can come back into the killer's favor but not really. An important thing is, even when it's survivor sided, people seem to not like indoor maps much.

All of those maps have a few god pallets that must be broken by the killer, some have a lot of pretty safe loops. On Lery's there's potential for really strong windows to spawn from RNG. Lots of walls can help survivors just as much as it can killers. One's with multiple floors can be a nightmare to defend as killer (or a breeze if you're Nurse/Demo/someone who teleports)

The only real thing that survivors suffer from is that newer players can have trouble finding generators and are wandering for a long time.

I don't hate the indoor maps,I used to hate Hawkins but thankfully it's long dead and buried.

From an visual standpoint sure would be great, but I don't think the gameplay would be good. Narrow paths don't go well with many killer powers in the sense that you cannot avoid a hit against a huntress when you cannot dodge. Tracking is hard in indoor maps, it is much harder to cut survivors off and if it doesn't work they get massive distance which often makes it not even worth to try.

I can understand that you want visually appealing maps but that doesn't really give me much after playing like 10 times on it, it could be a completely white map with only boxes and walls for loops and if it plays good I would prefer it over the Mona Lisa of visually appealing maps. It is all about the gameplay and just because RPD looks good does not mean that it is not a terrible map from a gameplay standpoint.

Also the most relevant complain is not the pallet spawning (maybe except for the game, but this map is an atrocity of itself) but the lack of long range tracking, crows, scratch marks in the distance, being able to see survovors from afar and trying to cut them off, that is just something that is basically impossible on indoor maps which makes them very frustrating to play on in general. Also many killer powers rely on line of sight which is also easily broken on those maps. They just create so many issues from a gameplay point of view and all I hear in favor of it is how cool it look visually... Man that's just not worth it... The great looks wear of fast and then you have gameplay like old cowshed and the game. The priority should be gameplay above looks.

I prefer indoor maps on both sides and think they are overall more balanced. The indoor maps actually play different than the outdoor maps which are most of the time the same loops with a different skin on them. Most the outdoor maps just play the same. The indoor maps also tend to not have as much busted loops as the outdoor ones. Finally indoor maps actually make some of the weaker killers better which is a good thing. Outdoor maps tend to let you see the killer coming from a mile away encouraging hold w game play which no one likes.

Less busted loops?? - let me introduce to you the game

Hold w gameplay - have you seen the midwich corridors??