Fall in Attitude of DBD Player Base

I don't necessarily see MFT as a replacement for OTR. My main issues with DS and OTR are the deactivation conditions. They're fine if I'm being tunneled right off the hook. But they do nothing if I touch a gen for 5 seconds and then get in another chase. You're either forced to be cautious to the point of inefficiency to preserve the value or you run something else and take your chances. I usually go with MFT+DH+WoO+(something else) and tell myself I'm getting 5 gens out of a hard tunnel.

call of brine + overcharge skullmerchant... I'm still traumatized... 😭

Playing the game normally isn´t an incentive?

There is no perfect match. Where you get the best teammates, offerings, map, pallet spawns and the killer you like going against the most. So why do people still attempt to get the perfect combination? It makes 0 sense to me.

For example, earlier today i had a match as Huntress against a 4 man SWF. 3 of them were prestige 100 and the last one 69. I played with a meme build and one of them still suicided. They were all streamers. So i entered the twitch channel of one of them after the match. Turns out the next match they got a hacker. In order to report they stopped the stream to get access to the vod. So curious me, i watched the vod of my match with them and ohh man, they really weren´t short on insults for absolutely no reason at all. Like i played chill and even ate some blast mines, and their comments were insults and smack talking, even when they were losing. Fast forward, the next match they got after the hacker was a Huntress that let them bleed out at 5 gens.

So instead of having a chill match against a Agitation + Iron Grip Huntress, they preferred to suicide to go against sweaty players.

Moral of the story is, that sometimes its better to play your cards and have some fun. Instead of hoping for the perfect hand, while feeling miserable.

So for whatever it's worth, and if it helps any: Over the past year or so(been playing since 2018, PS4 and PC), I've found myself with long periods of DBD play, punctuated by long breaks...a month or more. I come back from a break, and a couple of months later, I realize why I took a break, and go on another one.

Last time I returned about three weeks ago, it only took me a week and a half to remember why I had put it down last time. The reasons you noted figured largely into it. The game is really no fun to play most of the time anymore. And, I don't know that Alien is going to make a great big difference. Not sure when or if I'll pick it up again really. I'm having more fun playing through the Mass Effect trilogy for the umpteenth time, frankly.

stunning photo btw 😍

Correct. The game itself is not an incentive. An incentive is a reward or avoidance of punishment. You are not rewarded for sticking out a losing match, and there is no punishment to avoid besides a short queue time.

The provided in-game goals for players of DBD are to grind endlessly to 1. get all perks on all characters to tier 3; 2. get through the battlepass for the cosmetics. Making the Korean MMO style grind more efficient matters to people, and one-hook suiciding is a tool that gets you to favorable grinding conditions faster.

Having fun? No? Not an incentive?

If someone doesn´t has fun with the game and constantly dcs/suicides. Then it would be best to take a break. No harm in that. Just take your time, play something else (i heard civ is a great game) and come back after a few months with new energy.

Its better than constantly ruining the game for everyone else.

So playing a game for fun is not a reason?

Then why play in the first place? Just to ruin everyone elses fun?

I stopped reading at "dead hard destruction".

2500 hours and you think dead hard was OK and now is destroyed (even if the perk is still played both in pubs and comp).

Maybe in another 2500 hours you will have some clarity.

My Problem is that BHVR seems to want to limit what types of counter play which makes the game very, very, stale.

It feels like both sides have had their toy boxes stripped down, so it only encourages a very, very rigid of play style.

A big part of the problem is new perks accidently creating toxic synergies with older perks that become too strong on either side.

Example Pain Res and DMS. (Before the adjustment to Scorge Hooks)

Or Eruption and Call of Brine (You can't just remove someone from the game for 30 second).

Or Now: MFT and Hope.

What they need to do is evaluate the perk system and create perk types. Example: "Eruption is Gen Slow Down" or MFR and Hope is "Player Speed". If they would create a perk point system that prevents a player from assigning all value High Value Perks at once, then the problem is solved. This way they can continue to make new perks and them just limiting some of the build outs.

Exactly!

But how do people know that they are not having fun, when they literally suicide on their first down/hook?

I understand that certain situations can be frustrating. But i´ve seen so many people rage quit for no aparrent reason that it baffles me. Getting a full match where someone doesn´t rage quit or someone doesn´t get tunneled seems to be rare. I´m seeing this both as survivor and killer. When i go out of my way to not tunnel and yet. Survivors rage quit. I go with suboptimal builds. No slowdown. Just Agitation, Iron Grip, Mad Grit and Lightborn on a Huntress. A slow killer.

I just don´t understand it.

It also prevents broken builds from being abused and would allow behavior to try more creative perks without them having to working about unforeseen problematic combinations when creating a new chapter. Other games do this to avoid broken combos.

The more chapters there are the more this becomes a problem. I would have this rather than something gets nerfed to where its unusable and creates more blood web bloat. The root causes of these issues are not the perk itself but the combinations which tilts game mechanic.