What happened to camping solution?

pshh, ikr! Maybz by end of year?🤷🏼‍♀️ …we hope

I don’t camp (or tunnel, fwiw😎) so I’m all for this new feature; Interested to see its effectiveness n how matches will play out once it’s released🥳

Gotta say tho, feels like one of those things that shouldn’t have been teased so soonly. If they weren’t going live w it for such an extended period of time (what, like 3 mths now?), they could’ve saved many of us the buzzkill n not brought it up, at all, ‘til they were ready to drop it in-game.

”Got you a super awesome gift! You’re gonna LOVE IT! It’s crazy amazinggg! Can’t wait ‘til you get to have it!!! Not gonna tell you when you’re gonna get it, but you’ll be sooo stoked when ya do!”😩

btw, If they REALLY wanted to curb the tunneling everyone is assuming (some are threatening) will transpire following anti-camp mode’s establishment (or just to curb tunneling, in general), Devs would add a precautionary feature similar to DS (only activating for possible usage everytime a survivor is immediately tunneled off hook), as well as increasing the basekit BT effect to 30 secs.

Players probz wouldn’t wanna bother w all that unless they’re hellbent on tunneling. Most Killers would end up choosing to chase someone else😌

Would be cool if they hurry a bit, by now pretty much 100% of players have figured out that you can get free kills with camping, it's easy/brainless and rewarding. Even mid match you start losing the game> start camping/tunneling hard and comeback... it should be nerfed to make the game more interesting

Prob not for another year or 2 right behind the 2+ yr wait on the hatch/mori change.

I think its more the first part of what i said, that they realized it wouldn't actually solve camping.

I'm really surprised they didn't just do that. The easiest thing they can do, is just make the yellow mori basekit. Then suddenly mori's become a thing in a lot of games, then they can start selling mori cosmetics while they work on a better mori system. I'm really surprised that isn't what they did TBH.

I don't think extending the hook timer is the solution, although it is probably the easiest one. I think that tunneling and camping should be tackled as a whole, not individually.

The easy fix to both of these problems is quite simple:

• Remove the ability to 4%, its a dumb mechanic
• Rework luck because of the above, along with slippery meat and the like.
• Deliverance can stay.
• Survivors now share the 1st hook state. But only the first hook state.
• Rework bloodpoint gains for people being camped, so they get some of the gen progress bloodpoints because of "distracting" the killer
• Rework bloodpoint gains for people being chased, for the similar.
• Rework bloopoint gains for killers who camp, by PUNISHING them for doing it. (losing bloodpoints)
• The emblems work this way, why don't bloodpoint gains?

What this means, is that instead of having 12 hook states, 3 for each survivor. You have 12 hook states, 4 hook states for the whole team, and then 2 for each survivor. This means that to remove anyone from the game, you'll need to hook 6 survivors at minimum before you can do it.

Also, instead of sharing ALL the hook states, which would cause some problems with people feeling cheated because of a bad person on their team, it is only the 1st hook state.

This would effectively eliminate camping as a strategy, because you'd have to camp someone for 6 hook states before they die. That is a full 6 minutes, during which time the other 3 survivors have time to finish 3 generators EACH and thats asuming they take 30 seconds to find another one. They could finish 9 gens in the time it takes the survivor to die. Plenty of time to finish 5 gens, 99 some exit gates, and attempt a 3-man save. Which would be less necessary, because when killers KNOW that camping will lose them the game, they won't do it is often except to just be #########.

This would also eliminate tunneling as a strategy for the same reason, because you would have to down and hook someone 6 times, during which time the rest of the team should have plenty of time to get gens done.

You also adjust the bloodpoint gains, so the people getting camped or tunneled still earn the same amount as the rest of their team, and the killer loses bloodpoints for camping.

Then, they simply balance the game around the idea that, 4 survivors will be in the game for much longer than they are now and balance the game around hooks instead of kills. I.E. wins/losses are based on hooks, not kills:

<5 hooks is a loss

5-7 hooks is a draw

8+ hooks is a win

That's what i'm saying though, that shouldn't be the case. If they balanced the game around hooks instead of kills, and considered an 8 hook 0 kill game a win for a killer, everyone would have a lot more fun, and tunneling and camping would be a thing of the past.

I sadly can't say no to that.

I saw the word, I didn't ignore it. It's just hard to address something when there's nothing to address. "Just do something to make it better" isn't something I can really respond to. Trying to balance the game around hooks and not kills, to the point where 0 kills are expected to be the average, isn't something that lends itself to non-constrictive gameplay conditions.

It's being held hostage in a corner.

that just feels it'd require dbd to be redone completely

It’s probably coming this midchapter

They’ll just pull another 6.1.0, survivors will complain, give more buffs to Survivors, people stop playing Killer, cue another 6.1.0.

It worked in 2022, it will probably work again.

Not really, most of it is numbers tweaks, and then tweaking of the map gen to not spawn broken loops, nerf a few of the ridiculous structures (fun bus, garden of joy window, etc.) and you'll have a much more balanced game.

There's basically 2 ways you can go about it, in a way that keeps her identity as the killer that "teleports"

• Option 1: You keep her power really strong, but limit it, similar to oni.
  • Her movement speed is increased to 4.6
  • Her power is locked behind a power gauge that slowly fills up passively.
    • Once her power fills up, she gets her power for some number of seconds (maybe 60).
    • Survivors are given some kind of thing scattered around the map that they can interact with that will reduce her power gauge by some percentage (but not take her out of it if it is full).
    • Survivors are able to see the aura of these interactable objects.
    • When the nurses power gauge is filled up, the survivors and the nurse start coughing, giving away their location to the nurse.
    • The coughing also causes the nurses location to be revealed periodically to survivors.
    • The coughing works similar to screams/clowns gas in terms of revealing locations.
  • Survivors are given some kind of mechanic to know how close she is to getting her power, maybe a gauge around their portraits?
  • Rework her addons to work with these mechanics.

This would give her some map pressure in that survivors will have a secondary objective to keep her out of her power. But, if she gets her power, she will be EXTREMELY strong for a few seconds, still moving very fast (she stays 4.6), she has her blinks and all that it entails. But the survivors are periodically shown her location, but she also sees their location. Survivors can interact with this map objective that will keep her out of her power, or drastically shorten the duration if she gets into it. So basically, she's a plain m1 killer, but if you don't stop her from getting her power, she is an unstoppable juggernaut.

• Option 2: You weaken her power significantly, but let her use it more often.
  • Increase her movement speed to 4.0 m/s (same as survivor)
  • Terror radius is reduced to 4 meters (or maybe even 0) (was 32 meters)
  • The nurse now has a 24 meter lullaby (did not exist).
  • Give her back basic attack on her blink attacks (the lullaby solves the exposed/starstruck problem)
  • Blink stays exactly as it is now except for the following changes:
    • Maximum Blink range: 10 meters (was 20 meters)
    • Maximum chain blink range: 8 meters (was 12 meters) chain blink duration stays the same, this means you can let it go earlier, but if you can still wait a bit longer to guarantee max range for lower skill players.
    • Base Fatigue duration: 3 seconds (was 2 seconds)
    • Chain blink penalty 0 seconds (was 0.5 seconds)
    • Blink attack penalty 0 seconds (was 1 second)
    • Hitting a survivor during a blink attack skips the fatigue phase (you still have to go through the 2.7 second wipe animation like normal)
    • Hitting a survivor with a blink attack fills her power gauge by some percentage [33%?] (see below)
    • Blink no longer has charges (old nurse)
    • Blink speed normalized to 10 m/s (used to be based on charge duration from 6-13.3 m/s)
  • Nurse gains a secondary ability "Spirit Walk" (or whatever name)
    • This ability is activated using the secondary action button.
    • Spirit walk slowly charges up over 45 seconds.
    • Once fully charged, the nurse can activate it, when activated:
    • The nurse charges a special blink that shows an icon similar to "Plaid Flannel" addon currently works.
    • The range of this blink is global, meaning she can teleport anywhere on the map.
    • The nurse is unable to do a chain blink from this special blink.
    • The nurse is unable to do an attack out of this special blink, and will be forced to go into fatigue 1.5 seconds after she arrives at her destination.
    • If the nurse collides (or gets within a couple meters) of a survivor during this blink, they scream, and their aura will be revealed for a few seconds [5?].
    • The nurse can cancel charging this blink.
    • The nurse can cancel the blink while she is teleporting at any time, but still will take the fatigue.
  • Rework the 3 blink addon to:
    • She now has 0 blinks
    • She keeps the special blink
    • Hitting with a basic attack now charges her special blink
    • Her movement speed is increased to 4.6,
    • She permanently sees the aura of all survivors outside of her terror radius.
  • Rework other addons as needed to work with new mechnaics.

This list is much longer, but basically. She keeps her blink, but its range is shortened to a maximum of 18 meters for both blinks. Instead of a terror radius, she has a shorter, 24 meter lullaby. This makes it so she is able to blink on you very suddenly and quickly, which is necessary because her movement speed is 4.0 m/s, same speed as a survivor.

If she misses with a blink, the survivor will get a full 12 meters of distance on her, and she won't be able to do a fully charged a blink for 1.5 seconds (current charge) during which the survivor will now be nearly at max range. Making it BARELY possible for the nurse to max range a blink and still be close enough to hit a survivor.

To counteract the fact that she loses mobility and map pressure from the shorter blink distance, she gets a new global blink on a cooldown that she can earn more of by hitting survivors. If her path, or end duration is close to a survivor, she can cancel it early, and see the survivor's aura just long enough to probably hit them with a blink attack after her fatigue.

If she hits a survivor with a blink strike, she doesn't get fatigue, again giving her barely enough time to do a max range blink and hit the survivor a second time (if they let her)

There are many other ways to rework her, but one of these 2 roughly is how i would do it. Basically, she keeps her really strong power, but it is time limited/the survivors can take it away, and outside of that power she is just a standard m1 killer. Or, her power is significantly weakened, but now she can use it much more often and it is a little less punishing to miss with it for newer players. She is given a global blink to allow her some map pressure, and basically she becomes a hit and run killer.

Care to explain further?

Everything is RNG in this game my friend

What happened to free to play the game as you want?

It's going to be as "fixing" things in sports with new rules and stuff instead ending up hurting the game more than it helps. It's sad that people can't see that until it's too late. There will be no turning back later.

They already fixed the camping removing the grabbing animation from killers. About bubba/billy facecampers if they want to solve is just to add a minimum of range so they can use the m2 power facecamping on hook. That's it.

Survivor A on hook. Assume Killer doesnt camp and find survivor B to chase. If survivors C and D decide to do Gen

Unless you fail to down B for too long. But any moment B down and A still on hook, the favor is on killer. Gens stop right there because its 1 survivor saves another one.

That's where you are wrong, it isn't about generator speeds in a vacuum. It is about the generator speed to chase time ratio. If survivors can do gens in 30 seconds, but a chase and a hook takes you 5 seconds, then it doesn't matter how fast the gens go.

I actually want to live in a world where survivors spend LESS time on gens, and more time moving around the map and interacting with the killer.

You can achieve this by nerfing certain setups and tiles to be more manageable, and by giving survivors a secondary objective, such as (find a generator part before repairing a generator) and now you can make gen times actually shorter. Rather than sit and hold m1 for 90 seconds, you spend the same 90 seconds to repair a gen, but you do so by moving around the map, finding a generator part, taking it to the generator, THEN spending some much shorter amount of time "holding m1" on the gen, but you still spent the same amount of time on the gen. And in moving around the map, you increase the odds of you running into, and thus interacting with, the killer.

This is just one idea of many, but there are plenty of ways you can handle this. The problem is you are looking at gen times in a vacuum, when again, it is about the ratio between how long the survivor objective takes to complete, to how long the killer one takes to complete.

They realised this would make survivors players enjoy their game.

That's a big no,NO!