stop asking bhvr to nerf made for this

I love the argument of, "It's only 3 percent," like 3 percent is insignificant. If 3 percent is insignificant, why are people using it?

Years ago a perk came out called Mettle of Man. Top Tier killers at the time could basically ignore it (Nurse, Billy, Huntress) since it only triggered on M1 hits meanwhile the weakest of killers such as Trapper, Wraith, Freddy just had to deal with survivors having an extra health state against them.

Why do I bring this up? Because saying a perk is fine, because if you play only the best killers in the game is just showing that the perk is a problem. The devs aren't trying to make every killer Nurse level strong. A perk existing where the only way to deal with it is to play one of the few things that can deal with it, means that perk needs adjustments.

Ok.....

I try to keep it short and simple because this perk has been discussed a lot here.

1) made for this is hurting the weaker m1 based killers more than the stronger killers. This is very bad for a number of reasons and NOT a skill issue. You can't make a killer start flying. PIGS DON'T FLY.

2) End game is still part of the game. Finishing the gens should not mean, that the survivors just win by default. Most killers already have a terrible early game. Now you want them to lose the end game as well? When is the killer supposed to have a game then?

3) Made for this offers two effects that are strong enough to be separate perks entirely. This is overtuned.

4) you can definitely nerf the haste effect to 0.5, 1, 1.5 % but I think that would do next to nothing, so I would just replace the effect with an action speed bonus on other things like vaulting, chest opening or totem cleansing.

This perk is discussed for a reason. And it's not a skill issue.

No, it gives you a lot more.

And this is precisely the problem. The killers that don't care about it, are the strongest ones. and the killers hurt the most by it, are the worst ones.

It extends chase with Killers by 20%.

It massively impacts M1 immobile Killers, the worst in the game.

It has no downside, it can be combined with some exhaustion perks, and can also be used with Resilience to extend chases by 30+ seconds for simply being injured.

Can be combined with Hope in end game to be 110%, the same speed that Killers like Hag, Huntress, Deathslinger, etc are.

It also has an Endurance effect for some reason, because the Devs didn't bother testing it and somehow thought it wasn't good enough.

Is mathematically better than at least most exhaustion perks.

There is no scenario where this perk is NOT objectively too strong, It needs a duration of 25 seconds twice per match or something, a constant 3% Haste for simply being injured is terrible design.

20% is very significant. And if you are talking about mind games, you must be talking about loops. And in talking about loops, you should know that the survivor hitbox is smaller than the killer one. Basically like this.

Imagine that the black circle is a rock, and the green circle is the path the survivor takes and the red is the path the killer takes. The killer takes a longer distance around the rock because their hitbox is bigger than the survivor. Unfortunately we don't exactly by how much, but against good survivors who can tightly loop, it becomes very apparant.

When we talk about looping around structures like this, the "differences" in movement speed between the survivor and killer are already affected by the longer distance the killer has to travel around the loop. Thus any extra movement speed from the survivor is even more strong when looping.

But 20% in a straight line chase is also significant. I don't think you understand how long a straight line shift+w chase is.

For context on distances, load up a bot game as trapper, and do a max range lunge. You just traveled 6.21 meters.

Some data:

Survivor movement speed: 4.0 m/s

Survivor post hit movement speed duration: 1.8 seconds

Survivor post hit movement speed: 6.0 m/s

Killer movement speed: 4.6 m/s

Killer movement speed while lunging: 6.9 m/s

Killer lunge duration: 0.9 seconds

Killer hitbox extension: 1 meter

Killer movement speed while carrying survivor: 3.68 m/s

Killer Terror Radius: 32 meters

Killer hit cooldown: 2.7 seconds

Killer movement speed during attack cooldown: 0.575 m/s

Killer pick up speed: 3 seconds

Killer hook speed: 1.5 seconds

Generator repair speeds: 90 seconds

Average distance between hooks: 38 meters (~19 meters to a hook from any given position on average)

Average human response time: 273 ms (https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime)

Average map size: 9850 square meters (~99.25x99.25 meters for a square)

So, let's assume killers and survivors all spawn at opposite ends of the map. The survivors spend the first 20 seconds looking for a generator and the killer spends the first 20 seconds running to the opposite end of the map. With a killer having a 32 meter terror radius, and taking into account movement speeds and human reaction time. if we take the human reaction time and 6x it to account for figuring out the direction the killer is coming from and making sure you can run the opposite direction, the survivor will spot the killer in 1638 ms. To make math simpler let's round it up to 2 second. during this time the killer gets 9.2 meters closer. So now the killer is 22.8 meters away. During this time the survivor runs in the exact opposite direction of the killer.

Remember, no powers, no pallets, no windows, just a straight line. In order for the killer to catch up to the distance needed to lunge (killer lunge is 6.9 m/s for 0.9 seconds, survivor is moving 4.0 m/s during that time, so to land the hit, the killer must be 3.61 meters from the survivor at the start of the lunge. Let's round that to 3.5 to account for lag). This means the killer needs to close a gap of 19.3 meters, to hit the survivor The difference in movement speed between them is .6, this means the killer closes the 19.3 meter gap in 32.16 seconds. The killer then lands a hit.

The survivor then runs in a straight line and the killer is unable to move much for 2.7 seconds, only moving 1.5525 meters of distance. During 1.8 of those seconds the survivor is moving at 6 m/s and for 4 m/s for .9 seconds. This means the survivor gets 14.4 meters way. The killer now has to close a gap of 9.3 meters for a lunge. It takes the killer 15.5 seconds to catch up to the survivor and land another hit.

The killer now picks the survivor up taking 5.7 seconds (3 seconds for picking up, and 2.7 seconds for attack cooldown), /and they walk to the nearest hook about 19 meters away. This takes 5.16 seconds, lets say 5. the hooking action takes 1.5 seconds.

The time to find this survivor, hit them once, catch up, hit them again, pick them up walk to a hook and hook them took: 32.16 + 15.5 + 5.7 + 5 + 1.5 = 59.86 seconds. Or, about 60 seconds. This would mean the killer would likely lose 2 gens in the first chase. (just barely reaching the 3rd survivor before it finishes).

So, without using pallets, windows, anything at all. you are taking about 60 seconds to hit twice, down, pick up, and hook a survivor. Gens are 90 seconds. This means that you WILL lose 2-3 gens by the time you find the next survivor, and that is assuming just pure straight line hold w chases. Now when you factor in MFT making that second hit take almost 24.5 seconds instead of 15.5, now you are talking about 70 seconds.

Now get 12 hooks... Its impossible for killers who aren't nurse blight or spirit to keep up AS IT IS and that is not even factoring in perks like MFT.

You are very clearly unknowledgeable of the game to say that. A 0.12 m/s difference adds up significantly overtime. Running a loop for 10 seconds saves 1.2 meters of difference from having the perk, and that very much determines the difference between reaching a pallet or window or being able to run around the loop an extra time or two.