I think TCM (combined w extreme community toxicity) is the reason this game will finally die.

Damn, can this game just hurry and die already? It's been 7 years of it dying.

Seriously, the only the way this game is going to die is by it killing itself. We are not talking about a small colony of ants here. We are talking about giant mountain, that inhabits billions of ants. You need a nuke to get rid of it at this point. And even then DBD would probably survive. With all these licenses, there is absolutely no way another game takes its place.

What other game allows you to play Nicholas Cage versus Michael Myers?

The problem is the focus on new content though. I get it, new chapters, especially big licensed chapters earn the company money. But it feels now like there’s new chapter hype for about a week (less tbh) and then it’s back to the same old discussions about the same old problems with the actual game.

Don't worry, TCM will die way faster.

* You can already see a lot of toxic players there, people who will stunlock the family for fun, tbag and wait at the exit gate to mock them last time

* It has way more issues in swf vs solo department. When you are watching the intro animation joining the match, coordinated victims are already halfway out

* The way the devs of TCM deal with hackers is worse than the fact there are hackers. Oh, there are hackers on PC, well, that's your problems, you stinky PC players, stay away from our precious console players

* The ability of this game of long term development is questionable because of the setting. They can't make something drastically different from what they have now, so it will get pretty stale rather soon

So, I don't think this game will live more than a couple of years.

Only thing I can possibly think of is console just being a more toxic community in general. Most people I see talking about major toxicity are usually on console.

Sorry to break your bubble but TCM has become just as toxic. I'd even argue it has more toxicity now since the voice chat + normal chat. Ive heard and read so much horrible things already and i only have 20 + hours in the game. ( reason i have so little hours is because im already bored of the game and stopped playing due to the unbalanced mess and toxicity ) People wait at the "exitgates" and theres no endgame so if the family doesnt go watch them Tbag they can just hold you in the game. Also the endgame chat has been quite the cluster...F... of people yelling slurs to eachother.

Also it has lost most of the PC players i think 4k+ players remain atm from 17k.

All this being said. Why can't both games just live their own lives? Play what you enjoy playing and let others play what they enjoy playing. 1 game does not have to "kill" another one. Both can co exist.

DBD needs to stop pushing new survivors and killers + perks in the game. Do 1 good healthupdate. Leave the DLCs and just concentrate on the health of the game. Give us more stuff to do, new gamemode even maybe. I think most of us would be extremely happy if you would instead of a new DLC give us healthpatch and game improvement patch.

Console players can't use endgame chat, if you see some one with a crossplay symbol message you they're either from Epic Games or Windows Store

DBD is like a roach or the Nokia 3310. It won't die, despite everything that goes wrong with it.

The game isn't "dying" as in "sprawled on the floor with their guts spilled out", but it nicked an artery and is haemorrhaging. We all feel it, everyone knows that something changed, a lot of players vie for this or that balance change, but no one really hits the core of the problem.

Well, I figured it all out, just listen (haha, don't gimme that look): the audience and player base has FAR outskilled the games base machanics and is constantly pullying at its seams, picking it appart with new broken builds or tactics that were never even imagined at the start. A casual player of today has so much game knowledge, map awareness, game sense, techs, if you were to throw them into a 2016 or 2017 game it would look like they were cheating. Ant thats just a casual. You can try to balance and handle things differently all you want, but you can't take the skills out of the player base. And all BHVR can do is balance everything at the razors edge, but one slip and one half of the population suffers while the other will mercilecly hammer down their momentary advantage and living the moment. Yolo hard, because tomorrow that fun high will be gone.

What could save this game were a full, dedicated health update: ditch the next chapter and dedicate fully 3-6 month to make the game fun again. DBD could need a big, hard reset that establishes a few new hard rules and caps. You wan't killers not to tunnel? Then use a combination of the carrot and the stick. Right now, everytime I cornered and downed a survivor on death hook at, lets say 3 gens, and I didn't seal the deal but left them on the floor to be picked up, ie gave them another chance, this game back to bite me, because 4 healthy survivors are impossible to defend against. How could this be solved? With something like giving the killer old BBQ blood point boni for each hooked survivor that only goes up as long as no one died, but also giving the survivors some sort of debuffs for each hook while no one died. On the survivors end they get increased repair speeds and maybe +1/2/3% permanent haste for each dead survivor. Essentially, a killer who plays for 9 hooks before the first kill will get rewarded with BP and debuffs holding the survivors back, while the survivors get a chance to reset. A killer who tunnels will get mediocre BP gains and a harder time. This is just a rough sketch, but the general idea that I would advocate, ie device a system that rewards the good behaviour and sorta punishes the bad one.

Then we got the perk bloat. Maybe we could condense all the perks we got and take a hard look at them and do the following: move over a couple of them into the general use category and pick one signature perk for each survivor and killer. Thats their perk that they come with and it should be quite strong or cool or bend some of the rules. One signature perk per character will open up much more design space, as they don't have to come up with three perks per character. Each character have their own signature perk equipped and can equip two other signature perks and one general use perk. The signature perk us unlocked with prestiging the character to P3. Maybe we could have two versions of the signature perk, but that would already eat into the bloat reduction aspect.

Last but not least the game needs some hard caps on gen repair speed, heal speed, regression, haste, vault speed etc. While one trick pony builds that take one of this aspects to absurd levels can be fun, it also breaks the game in a mostly unfun way for the opposition. Its best to have some caps that everyone knows and don't later powercreep them out with new perks that break them.

This is just some general ideas of mine, but the game can't go forward like it used to be at this point, we all feel it, and I think a big reset would be the best approach.

You're right on one thing: that what will eventually kill DBD won't likely be the devs but the community. However, I use the word "eventually" because this will not happen for quite some time.

To say TCM will be ending the game is unbelievable at best. It doesn't have the longevity in it, although I do hope it has some time left. The devs for TCM are just looking for a fun game and see where it goes. They've done well, but to say TCM will kill DBD is just not going to happen.

What MIGHT happen is that the success of TCM may inspire a different apprpach to assymetrical horror. A developer may get an ambitious idea from TCM and, alongside working with the successful aspects of DBD, and gradually wprk a game which eventually - over the course of years - supercede DBD. However, that will take a lot of time.

DBD is likely tp be killed by the very consumers it attracts. The only other alternative will be a catastrophic business decision of such massive proportions that everyone leaves out of absolute disgust. It will have to be something inhumane. TCM is not going to be the game that will directly contribute. DBD has a few years left.

No? I don't see how TCM could possibly make up for dozens of licensed characters. I love DBD, and I have zero interested in Bubba the game.

"DBD is dying" is a platitude at best, and a self-fulfilling prophecy at worst, as in, if it's dying it's because the players are killing it. The game is largely improving with each update, but the playerbase is getting jaded because it's not improving fast enough for most of them.