Do you think an anti tunnel system is coming in the next year or two?

Yessir. Loops, pallets, windows. That's the mechanic. Buffing something like that and killers are not going to have fun

The level of overreaction from killer OTPs to this thread is honestly embarrassing.

If you watch killer streamers, they don't need tunneling to win the vast majority of their games. In fact, most of them explicitly choose to not tunnel, because it's a stupid cheese strat that everyone knows works disproportionately well against solos and actively contributes to shrinking the playerbase.

Tunneling the weak link doesn't even teach you how to play properly, because it'll make you drop a lot of chases and instead of practicing vs. the good players of your lobby you'll just learn how to beat the weakest one as fast as possible. In contrast, killers who don't tunnel will practice 12 chases per game against all kinds of players and get much better at the game than you. I guess it's satisfying to get free wins at first but it'll raise your MMR to oblivion, then you'll complain about SWFs because suddenly you're facing 4 good players and can't win a single chase and they bodyblock to prevent you from tunneling.

I don't know a single top player who opposes against the DS duration nerf being at least partially reverted, killer or survivor. It's only on these forums that you see people defend tunneling or claim nonsense like "BHVR already nerfed tunneling with basekit BT" (guess what genius, the same update that gave basekit BT, nerfed DS, so it's a straight buff to tunneling because before you could have BT + DS, and now you only have BT).

And yes, it is needed against competitive players, but you are not facing those say more than 1/10 matches.

You come from the perspective that casual solos needs to be brought up so that they will continue to play the game, but what about casual Killers that play the game? They definitely won’t play like the killer streamers you watch.

If they come to the forums asking for changes, what’s your reply going to be to them? Get good? Learn to play? What’s stopping them from quitting DBD or switching to Survivor? Every 4 Survivors needs one Killer to start the game. Do you have confidence that casual players will continue to play Killer if they start having harder and stressful matches?

As for the more experienced Killers who are supposed to be matching with the experienced 4man swf and comp players, what happens when they stop playing Killer too? The game grabs the next best thing aka the casual Killers who take a beating. Sure they may only appear 1 out of 10 games, but someone needs to fill the roster when they do play, but are there enough Killers who can and want to play against them?

I would love an anti tunnel system, because some people love to make others mad. They post on here very proud and boastful about making people's games miserable because they can force a win by tunneling out at the start of the game. Happened to me yesterday. Played vs a skull merchant game and literally had 2k points by the end of it. Tunneled me after a Feng ran into me and then it all went downhill from there. She even face camped, all three stages of my hook. My game lasted not even 5 minutes. But hey what can I do? Literally nothing. Anti-camping won't be effective unless we can combat tunneling. Especially if 5 gens are still on the board. I still think we need different lobbies. Streamers or content creators and their folks get their own lobby pool and we as solo Q or just average players get our own lobbies. Because I have too many times where I have at least 1 to 3 TTV folks in my lobbies and good grief it can be frustrating. It's either the killer and one survivor, 2 survivors, and the killer, or it's a 3 man SWF with one being TTV. And trust me I've wasted 15 mins before dodging lobbies, it's very annoying and time-consuming. But in my honest opinion, the game state will stay somewhat the same. Nothing we do will affect SWF. We will still get obliterated in solo queue and at the end of it all the game will most likely keep progressing towards the degradation of solo players. In the end, the solo queue roster may end up having to find something else to do because it will become too frustrating to deal with the monotonous broken builds and just dying in 3 minutes a good majority of the time. I have also noticed a new trend of playing hot potato with the killer where other survivors will intentionally run into you to get the killer off of them. I'm guessing this is the only way others like to play throw the hot potato at someone else's face and hide the rest of the match lol. No clue. I am trying to enjoy the game while I can. But I don't grind like I used to. It was much more chill years ago, and today it's a sweat-fest where you have to go all out to win anything. Might have to go back to PS2 and the good old games from back in the day because this new generation of games is stressful, life is already enough lol.

The only fair compromise to this would be to make the unhooked survivor unable to heal/progress gens/unhook others for their BT phase while being unable to bodyblock or be hit during those 10 seconds or so.

Anything else would be used as a new weapon against killer. And even then I'm sure SWF would find a way to weaponize that.

First of all most casual killer players don't tunnel, and they would barely care if DS duration was reverted to 5 sec. As for the ones who do, they wouldn't be matched against sweats in the first place if they weren't tunneling.

You're forgetting that this game has MMR. You're saying that beginner killers will get frustrated when they lose against better players, and so they need tunneling to be able to stand a chance, but this is the completely wrong approach. If you face better players then you should lose, and that will likely happen 50% of the time, so be prepared for it and if you get frustrated by this then the solution is to work on your nerves. But instead, you're asking for the devs to give cheese strats that enable a beginner killer player to win against a 4-man experienced SWF? This is completely breaking the game, and you're not even fixing the issue, because yes you'll maybe win some games at first, but eventually it'll raise your MMR even more, without teaching you how to play the game, so you end up playing against even sweatier players, until ultimately you lose and we get back to point A.

So yes, beginner players getting their ass slapped by sweaty SWFs is an issue, but this is what happens in every multiplayer game, there's no magic solution to fix it. Tunneling not only is NOT the solution for this, but it only makes the problem worse, because it allows bad players to artificially inflate their MMR just because they decided to tunnel. So MMR is even more broken and unbalanced matches happen even more often.

It is well known that a player who decides to tunnel will get more kills on average than someone who spreads hooks, so by definition of DBD's MMR (kill + mmr, escape - mmr), then deciding to tunnel artificially inflates MMR and deciding to spread hooks artificially deflates it, yes.

The point of this statement, is that EVERYBODY loses from tunneling. The survivors hate when the killer does it, and the killer who does it will eventually get placed to a much higher MMR than they belong to, leading to even more frustrating matches where they can't win EVEN with tunneling. A good example is this thread [Impossible to win at high MMR without tunneling] where someone thinks that they are "high MMR" and can't win any of their matches even with tunneling, and Peanits replied exactly what I'm telling you.

Tunneling gives you easy wins at first, but extremely frustrating matches in the long run. In particular, saying beginner players should tunnel against sweaty SWFs is totally counterproductive advice.

Give killers the old BBQ style Blood points bonus, but only increase the counter so long as all 4 survivors are alive.

Also, while all 4 survivors are alive and kicking some anti-proof-thyself is in effect, reducing efficiency massively when survivors are splitting up, but this effect goes away as soon as one survivor dies.

For each dead survivor, the others get a Sole Survivor light-style genspeed repair bonus.

So a killer who rushes the first kill via tunneling will get only +25% BP and allows the survivors to effectively gen rush, while spreading out hooks over multiple survivors gives more BP and ensures that get can't be gen rushed efficiently, leading to hopefully more fun games with survivors bunching up at gens in order to repair them one at a time, while killers chase one survivor at a time.

No. Killer is handicapped enough, don't you think?