Everyone leaving DBD!?!

I somewhat agree with that last part. But I must say I am not entirely convinced that that is a good idea.

SWFs are way stronger than solo survivors. That is a known fact. Balancing around that would require further killer buffs. However, how exactly would you buff killers like Trapper, Myers, Freddy, Clown, Pig and about 15 others without making them an absolute nightmare to play against? Buff their chase potential and you basically can't do anything other than hiding from them. Buff their 1v4 and you end up in a situation similar to Skull Merchant where it is an abolute slog to play around them.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for solo queue to be a more enjoyable experience but this will have consequences, that might actually make the game less fun than it is now. For both sides.

The stats don't even line up with the reality y'all are presenting that killer is too easy and that the game is being pushed in a killer centric or even high efficiency survivor play. The stats that we have been given over the years have been very consistent with a near 50/50 split of Kills and Escapes. The most "out of balance" it's ever been overall is about 60/40 which is stated as within margin for the devs are looking to see.

Per killer stats usually have most killers around the 40-60% killrate range across all mmr. High efficiency strats are being heavily mitigated on the killer side by additional system mechanics and target killer changes. While for survivor side high efficiency somewhat discouraged through the addition of perks that encourage survivors to engage with anything other than gens. Survivors just choose to steamroll their objective though and the devs have done nothing to forcibly limit survivor efficiency the same way they are approaching killer balance.

Killer is easier than it used to be, but that's only true for about 10 killers out of 30. Most are either slightly worse off than in the past or relatively the same as in the past. The ones who are really bad off have pretty much always been bad due to fundamental design flaws. Solo Q seems worst than it was in the past, but that is because matchmaking is worse overall and Solo Q in almost every game is bad compared to playing with a dedicated groups. The only difference is that 7 years of being propped up by unbalanced solo healing and gen efficiency has greatly affected how bad the experience actually has been this entire time.

I also have 10k hrs and i stopped playing dbd,

and I have to disagree! Yes! dbd is NOT a comp game but also not a damn casual game! The fact that the meta was changed is ok and good... but this back and forth and lies from bhvr are simply unbearable, for example: bhvr says they don't want meta but are making new meta and even buffing perks that are already meta more, maps which no one asked for, bhvr has almost no idea about the game, but they still go their own way and don't listen to people who have a clue (thousands of hours, example: Otz, Ohtofo, TheKller etc. hours in dbd) Hit vaildation for years and much more, but what the end meant for me, the bad MM, when I queue in the solo q, then of course I want to get people in who are roughly at my level or at least people who can do gens and not die within 10 seconds... no thanks bhvr! As long as the game at least doesn't have matchmaking, I'll stay away, cs2 is very nice, we've added a new matchmaking which is really noice, unfortunately the only thing missing is content, but everything is better than the current dbd :D

That's roughly 8 matches a day if we assume 100 contributors.

Going off SteamCharts alone, DBD has at least 50k active players. And this doesn't count epic or other platforms.

So yes, "like 20 players". Or in other words, a drop in a bucket.

We don't need voice chat, although I think it's very amusing with proximity chat for anyone who played Friday the 13th it was wild, but I think DBD needs a communication wheel like Evil Dead the game has.

I wanna add this. Spirit isn't bad per say. Solid B-A tier but i can't practice with the new Spirit because if I try I lose and in other games this is fine but in DBD its so painful because EVERY opponent rubs salt in the wounds no matter how you play.

I haven't noticed an increase in tunnelling either, but if there is one it's not because of gen regression nerfs. We had several months of the gen kick meta (Eruption - CoB - Overcharge etc) and tunnelling was still one of the biggest complaints from survivors during that time. I've played for a few years now and while I'm not bothered by tunnelling, it has *always* been one of the bigger complaints I've seen from players. The gen kick meta, arguably the easiest time killers have had in this game with regard to halting gen speeds, did not stop tunnelling at all.

no Matchmaking! simply, dbd is the only game I know (that is famous) and it has such bad matchmaking that anything is possible, look: whether you believe me (I have 10k+ hrs in dbd) or not, I don't care :D But if the game had matchmaking, all killers who do a lot of kills would eventually reach a real high mmr and meet people who hit them so hard against the wall that they only play Nurse, Blight, because otherwise they have no chance, but the win -streaks are ONLY possible because dbd doesn't have matchmaking, it's also logical thinking, because if it had matchmaking, it wouldn't be possible because you often get good opponents, the priority for bhvr is: short queues over longer waits but quality games

the proof that the killers make a high win streak is not = killer is op

One question: why don't we say (according to bhvrs stats) Plague, Dreadge and Wesker are better than Nurse and Blight, because why else do they have a higher win rate-kill rate? "That can only be because the three and other killers are much stronger than Nurse, Blight" no! of course not! someone who has no idea about the game would go by the stats and, which is understandable, would follow them, but the reality is that Nurse alone would be better than a killer who would have Wesker's dash + Plagues infaktion + Dreadges loose ports, the killer would have everything, but not at all because he would still be stopped by pallets :)) Not Nurse!

I quit the game not because I didn't enjoy it anymore but because the rift takes too much commitment for me to complete and being the perfectionist that I am, I can't play the game a little bit knowing that I won't complete the rift. It's all or nothing, sadly.

Having quit though, I must say it's refreshing how much time has freed up, which allows me to enjoy other games I never had the time for.

Comp szene has usually high restrictions for survivors. Like no repeated perks. Meanwhile killers usually camp and tunnel hard in comp matches. I wonder how those comp matches would go if every survivor could take perks without restrictions and killers would be "forced" to not tunnel/camp.

Without camping and tunneling?

really ? is that so? omg :O then let's quickly forget that Otz used to be "op" as survivors and were much stronger than the killers, but Otz the beast still managed a 100+ 4k streak with Plague and many other 50+ streaks, btw In the past, people didn't do streaks, Otz was one of the few, which is why there are a lot more of them these days, plus Otz, with his current level of knowledge, would also be able to do a 1k streak sooner (because he is of course much more experienced than he used to be), Question: are Otz's 100+ streaks worth less because they were earlier? Didn't he do that at a time when DH for distenc, DS 5sec, Med kits were op, IW (100%), Spine Chill (all stealth things were aniled) + Resillianc, exsested? Many builds in the "red ranks" looked like this: DH+IW+SpineChill+Resil, against swf 4x gl :)), but Otz the Beast still managed a 100+ 4k streak

Now its your turn! what was the matter this time? Killer was already op back then? or cause in that time, there was no “MMR” in? tell me, or that all happen, cause there is no matchmaking in dbd,

The only time when the streaks didn't exist was when MMR was freshly made, there weren't that many bad players in the pool, neither Otz or any pRo comp player tried it, that was also the best time for that Personally, a lot of "comp" Nurse and Blight players, we often won or drew against them & I played crossplay off with other comp players against comp killer for years... also I've played against more comp players than you've looked at comp games, so I can tell if your great "comp pros "If you lose to a killer other than Nurse, Blight, Spirit, then I'm sorry to tell you this, but they're just bad! :/ And just because someone calls themselves a comp player doesn't mean they're good, but that's the sad reality for you, how do you become a comp player? you have friends, you make a team and sign up for tournaments, BOOM! Congratulations you are a good player! According to your definition, trust me, most comp players are not so good as you think, ofc there are very good players in the comp scene, but most realy good players, you don't hear much from them caus most of them don't stream and the people you see on the internet are just people who are with Play with friends, there are also many good players who neither stream nor play comp

You new here or just gas lighting?

The vast majority of people posting here are killers.

Don't believe me? Go look at how many "NERF MFT NOW OMG" posts there have been since its release. Before that is was COH and DH for years.

Yeah, any time I see these “Omg killer is so easy. I get 4ks every match while blindfolded!!” I just straight up assume they’re lying. It’s the internet, so unless you’ve got receipts, I don’t believe you.

And if they are telling the truth, they are a survivor main who plays killer once a year and goes against baby survivors.

I can provide you with the meme you are searching for.

Btw, i really find it ironic, how everyone instantly started to bash you, for claiming the forum is a survivor echo chamber and thus proved your point.

Lol. “You are wrong but I’m not going to provide any substantive evidence as to why.”

Ideally everyone would play both sides equally. Which would result in everyone having a bit more compassion for the players they play with.

But yes, i´ve seen some forum comments claiming that killer is so easy, because they see streamers that win 99% of their matches (actual quote) perkless... and that the game is boring because of that.

Its a 4vs1 game or as solo a 1vs1vs1vs1vs1. So it will never be perfectly balanced. But sometimes i really think that people complain when they can´t 1vs1 the killer for 5 gens or get a 4k at 5 gens like their favorite streamer.

"Killer is the easiest it's ever been" is a dismissive and nonsense buzzword that's thrown around because people don't actually want to discuss problems honestly, they just want to dunk on the other side as payback for whatever nerf/buff happened in whatever patch whenever ago.

And even if it was true? It doesn't matter, because it's not about being easy, it's about being fun.

I've been playing less than a year and the game has gotten dull. The meta is awful. The matchmaking is broken. The maps are terrible. The playerbase is hateful and miserable. BHVR does nothing to address any of this. I don't like the direction the game design is going in. Playing killer sucks. Playing survivor sucks somewhat less, even in SoloQ, but it can still suck really bad. There's nothing fun to look forward to because any potential fun is throttled by the mountain of unaddressed problems that pile up higher and higher with every update.

I'll play the Halloween event but I don't know if the game will hold my attention for much longer afterwards.

I don't think there is anything drastically wrong with DBD balance wise, the gameplay is still fun and engaging. I think the issue is live services are on a decline and this is why players don't stick around like they used to. Most live services want to monopolize 100% of our free time and most people with commitments don't have enough time to do more than one live service game. Even if you stick with just one live service you can reach burn out quickly, especially with a game like this.

My DBD habit changed not long after they introduced the rifts. Even back then I found them too time consuming, now with the deep rift DBD is almost a part time job. This way of holding onto player time can take the fun out of it, it can turn gameplay into a grind. There is an expectation that you have to log in and play a few hours every day of you want all the rewards and soon enough you will question why you are even playing.