QoL Suggestion. In prematch, show pre-made groups.

I think ill pass

This same person will then cry because they have to wait in a queue for a dead game and wonder why it died.

Some people have empathy and ability to have critical thinking so they can see the problems even if they are not their own ones. Hope this helps!

I never even have the game open after I ready up as either role. I just want to PLAY the game. I have fun in 9/10 of my games. If you stop overthinking and losing your breath over this game over analyzing even how people look in a lobby, trust you will start enjoying the game.

Allow killers have ability to swap while in lobby.

If you want it go that far, why not make it fair for both sides then?

Play both sides then.

I used to play killer mostly but now I also play as survivor alone. I do have mixed experience but so far I haven't complained about how killers tend to play most of the time because I know how it is to play as a killer against competent or organized team.

The problem I see is there are way too many survivor players who want their comfort zone expanded because they are not willing to dedicate extra time and improve their skill. As for rewarding killers for going against SWF while preventing lobby dodge - at least let killers know it's SWF in the match once it's started so they can adjust their playstyle accordingly.

In ideal world MMR system would take SWF into consideration and put people in group against killer with higher MMR as well as against killer who has higher kill rate for more fair experience.

Killers need extra information because they are alone going against four other players. Neither side knows what experience their opponent has but killer also doesn't know whenever it's a SoloQ or SWF party they are dealing with. Because of that, most killer players start sweating from the beginning because they have to assume that it's a 4 man party from the beginning, which breeds the so-called toxic gameplay where in reality it's not such but rather more oppressive and often rather effective way to even the odds. There's simply no room for fun experience left for killers if they want to win - either dominate or get dominated.

well yes. Because even being in SWF does not guarantee anything. It's like with prestige. If you see Meg prestige 1, people usually expect very bad player that will not think, not loop very well and so on - without them ever knowing, that the player just does not play Meg specifically a lot, but has 10000 hours in the game with most on it on survivors. Or you see P100 and immediately get expectation of sweaty match - where said person is killer main that just spent all his BP on one character and can't even loop (instead is hiding whole game).

The same thing can be said about SWF - I have been "accused" of being in SWF many times when playing solo (I barely play any solo these days, but this happens quite often if I do) - just because I like to always play altruistically. People will just expect like you do - but it's often unjustified and basically does more harm then good. These days all I see is if the game was easy 4 out "they are absolutely 100% SWF" and if killer wins on 5 gens "see, soloQ". Both of those are mostly bias that's incorrect.

Also I have played with some very good soloQ players over the years and if you have game sense, you have much more then comms can ever give you. Skill is by far much more then being SWF.

One other thing - I quite frequently play SWF without comms and there's very little difference. Sure communication absolutely does help. But the main benefit of SWF is, that you won't get 1 teammate that is clearly mismatched to your MMR (who will get tunneled out for easy killer's win) + you can rely on your teammates instead of expecting them to do their no mither challenge. This is much much more then comms could ever give you and quite frankly I would totally love it if somehow this also got into soloQ (I don't expect it and I don't even know how to even start with this, but it would make most of the games more wholesome IMO).

IMO it's more about the intent with which players came into the game. 4man squad with 4 BNPs and genrush mentality will mostly win. Alch ring C33 blight that came into the game with intent to tunnel at 5 gens will also mostly win. The only outlier will happen if both of these groups meet in a single game...

It's more about who wants to win than who is in SWF/which killer you pick. If you are 4man that just came into match to mess around with maps and keys, you will play normal match where nobody will see any difference. If you go into the game as blight with C21+rat and intend to follow survivor rulebook, then everyone will still get to play the game and it will most likely be fun match for either side (and both sides would have equal chance to win in both examples).

It's information that SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT change how killer plays the match. Basically it means that SWF is not allowed to go with intend to just mess around ever. Because game will tell the killer "this is scary SWF" - so they will either dodge or go sweaty. Nice recipe how to loose chunk of player base.

But I agree with you on 1 thing. I think killer should see hooks - because of what you said - killer that wants to tunnel will remmeber that 1 survivor

It may come out as revelation to you but I should state it regardless - if you want to win, don't mess around. When one side really wants to win, then it does not matter what information is given, it will do everything for victory. At this point it won't matter if Killer is specifically told that Survivors are soloQ or 4 man squad because from the get-go killer will pressure, tunnel, proxy camp and basically do everything to eliminate any player asap for more reliable 3v1 session. When killer is aiming for a fun match, survivors will quickly notice more relaxed behavior.

Cross-platform chat not working is the question that should be directed to devs. When some suggested a lobby perk loadout preview the idea was rejected because survivors would for some reason lobby dodge other survivors if they didn't like a team mate's load-out.

There are few ways survivors could cooperate with each other but the toxicity level is so high everything gets dropped out. It's SWF where the amount of advantage is decided by survivors themselves or Solo where it's a mix of luck and skill.

As for loading into the healer build vs someone like Plague - I consider this on par as loading with Hex build vs some lucky totem hunter. Too bad but that's that. Both sides can be screwed over here.

No my points still stand we just don't make any headway arguing our points against each other so I'm passing on discussing it further with you since we can't convince each other of our sides

I think skipping the lobbies altogether and loading directly into the match deserves being tested.

It would squash most forms of lobby shopping & dodging, and let their matchmaking system do it's thing properly. As a side effect it would also get rid of that last second swapping bs survs can do too.