Hot take. Sloppy Butcher slaughters soloq atm

Those things are only present if you have zero tools to help out there, and even then, it's really not that big of a deal. There is a risk that the killer will find you while injured, sure, but that's something you can do your best to avoid or deal with via looping when it happens.

But if you have, say, Empathy and Botany Knowledge, you completely counteract Sloppy Butcher and get good team tracking. If Sloppy isn't in play, you save even more time and get even more benefit. You don't need to bring these specific tools, but something to keep track of your teammates and something that speeds up heals are just good ideas to have in general. If your concern is that you don't want to be pushed into the meta, even better: Here's your alternative. No healing perks and no teammate info perks are meta (save maybe Kindred), so you've got a lot of strong off-meta options here.

I'm not talking about Botany/Self-Care, just Botany. Don't try and heal yourself, heal your teammates. It's how you beat Sloppy Butcher; heal altruistically while the killer is occupied. If you have heal speed perks (or a medkit you use on your teammate) it completely counters Sloppy even further if you find the perk especially obnoxious.

That says more about the entitled nature of those players than an issue with the perk. Infinite healing isnt something I find necessary and the fact that sloppy slightly slows it down hasnt ruined my solo games.

Not sure your right with that definition, but teamwork makes it easier and faster, so I would say that is both encouraging team altruism and an incentive to work together over trying to slowly solo heal.

Yeah the perk makes healing slower but is more effectively countered by teamwork.

I feel like hemorrhage has been overtuned since they added that healing regression effect. My biggest complaint is that hemorrhage is so easily applied that it completely deletes 'partial healing' perks like resurgence and reactive healing.

I'd love to see hemorrhage referred to it's old form, but I seriously doubt that'll ever happen.

At minimum, I think the healing regression should only work if you're running. Standing still or even walking shouldn't drain heal progress, but running does. Give it some kind of counter play that still prevents the 99% thing people seem to hate, but isn't completely deleting an entire category of perks because the killer ran sloppy butcher.

Although I personally think the 99% issue was still solved by nerfing medkits. If someone is 99% with self care then congratulations, they wasted at least 34 seconds on that instead of a gen.

Sloppy is a really good perk, but it has to be kept in mind that some of the strongest killers can't make good use of it (Nurse and Blight first and foremost), and that on many of the other killers it is actually just as strong as it needs to be. Getting hits on survivors as Doctor for example is something you have to work for, the idea of reliably getting hits on multiple survivors frequently and let alone letting them go after doing so is pretty outlandish, so to actually make this kind of "spreading the pressure" viable, something at the level of Sloppy is pretty much necessary for these killers. Not least because it makes taking hits for each other more difficult and risky, something that can otherwise be crippling to a killer like Doc. Sloppy as you rightly imply more so than about the slowdown aspect is about the pressure potential it can create, creating snowbally, risky situations where people cannot take hits, unhook people, contest objectives or survive chases as easily or safely, due to being injured. And this is great because that snowball potential is what various of the relatively weaker killers often lack, and these risky scenarios actually make the game exciting and tense, much more so than just having 4 slowdown perks.

These scenarios are definitely particularly problematic for solo groups, because they require much more coordination and caution to navigate. For your frustrations I would say matchmaking is to be blamed for the most part however. If you were to have more competent fellow survivors, I guarantee you would even come to enjoy playing against Sloppy, at least more so than playing against Deadlock in its stead, for instance. So I guess my first suggestion is to try to find better players to queue up together with, or lobby dodge and check profiles until you find survivors you have reason to believe are more competent. My other tip is to use Med-Kits with Built To Last. You are not dedicating so much to this at all, and it can give you 5+ fairly speedy heals, which should usually more than suffice. Inner Healing is also good, especially if getting tunnelled is a major concern for you with regards to being injured: after being unhooked, get into a locker and not only will the killer regularly not find you, but you will also be healthy. Sprint Burst and Quick & Quiet can more reliably get you into a locker after that unhook, Decisive Strike and/or Head On can provide a safety net should the killer end up finding you after all. Ellen's Lucky Star can prevent detection. Self-Care alongside a selection of Botany Knowledge, Desperate Measures and Resilience is also good, while things like Calm Spirit, Distortion and Bite The Bullet can prevent detection.

A tip that isn't really directly helpful for yourself but might end up being helpful in a group or in the future: Autodidact is actually a really rather potent tool against Sloppy because the Hemorrhage status allows the user to reliably farm 5 tokens on the first heal, simply by letting go of the heal interaction and restarting it until they have gotten enough skill checks, from there on out then providing good healing power, if not all that reliably. Using this with an aura perk like Aftercare is good in solo, and doing so might also encourage others to do in kind.

I will say that some killers are pretty BS to face with Sloppy in solo. Hit-and-run Wraith as well as other stealth killers on indoor maps are pretty problematic, not just for solos. Spirit is a BS killer anyway, I'm glad she for some reason isn't popular at all anymore these days. Sloppy Hag that just keeps hitting and retrapping everything is obnoxious. Her hits out of teleports as well as Spirit's hits out of phase and Wraith's out of cloak could be treated as special attacks, so as to not trigger Sloppy. Although I'm not sure that is really appropriate. Certain killers' 3-gen potential can get to be a little too much to handle with Sloppy, particularly again for solos of course. In all of these instances, Gift Of Pain would be a much more healthy alternative, because it requires killers to actually hook to get that strong Mangled + Hemorrhage effect going.

For Hemorrhage it can also be argued that it regresses the heal a little too intensely. The regression is essentially instant, even just the couple of seconds of interruption due to Ultimate Weapon (a problematic perk in its own right) can all but nullify the heal, and this is particularly notable these days where Med-Kit charges are awfully limited and Self-Care heals take an awfully long time. I think the heal regression should be much more gradual, say at half a charge per second.

Circle was also overnerfed and I think it would be perfectly fine - and healthy even - if it still enabled survivors to heal themselves, albeit at 32 seconds per heal (40 under Mangled then, obviously).

I hate it when people do this, I run resilience every now and then, and I'd always rather be healed than stay injured because of resilience. Now combined with adrenaline theres a nasty combo.

Sloppy shouldn’t be nerfed. The point of slow heals was to compensate for the gen kick nerfs. The Survivor either takes the time to heal up so they don’t go down, or they do gens injured and risk going down. There is actual risk/reward in such situations.

Knowing devs, their idea of balance is to completely obliterate a perk instead of minor tweaks like reducing the time taken to heal from mangled by 2-3 seconds. That’s not balance, that’s just nerfing whatever is strong.

I agree with the Hemorrhage effect being overtuned, the regression being nigh instant is a bit silly.

You could queue with at least 1 or 2 other players, and refrain from using voice communcations. Believe me, 2 and even 1 random survivors are still plenty of a liability, matches will still be tough but with this you would much more often be competitive against killers and builds like this, especially if you have others bring perks like We'll Make It or Autodidact. Also consider Med-Kits with Built To Last and Inner Healing. Or Plot Twist for something that can also help against being tunnelled with Sloppy, while still also providing 1 (and up to 2) full heals that are not affected by Sloppy.

But yes, I hope they will look at the Hemorrhage effect, and that they will lift Circle out of obscurity again, which was a saving grace for solo survivor really.

We shouldn't be making balance decisions around a single killer, if that killer is too strong because basekit things change, that killer should be nerfed.

It is easier to buff ALL killers, then nerf the 3 problematic ones, than it is to buff 20+ killers.

Yeah, i main nurse. I also think she is a problem for the game. Are you thinking it isn't possible for both of these things to be true at the same time? I think in general that the BIGGER problem based on simply play rates, is to deal with the fact that around 20-25+ killers are completely unviable at high MMR is more pertinent. And then of course dealing with the 3 killers that are a problem. The rest are relatively okish right now.