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Can’t win as killer…
I understand survs dislike being camped, tunneled, etc etc sweaty killers…I am a sweaty killer, but I don’t want to sweat during the event. I want to play chill, get my challenges done, let other people do theirs…so that’s how I’ve been playing. Casual.
So I had a match today. I wanted to do a challenge..I’m a 51 Plague, 5000 kills and a decent amount of hours in the game. I consider myself mostly experienced at this point, capable of killing survs.
We load in, I don’t camp, I don’t tunnel, I know there’s a Feng on death hook (I don’t go back looking for her), I hook others inbetween. I hook a Yoichi at end game and still don’t camp him.
I felt a couple of them were being, I won’t say toxic, but just a negative towards killer playstyle. The Kate was doing gens in my face, mid chase etc which I felt was rude. So I hooked her and I kicked the gen and I shook my head “yes.” Like yeah, I kicked your gen watch it regress..hey I am the killer after all. Anyway, they all go. Like I said I was playing casual, not looking to kill anyone. Just do my challenge…
The Kate messages me after and tells me I don’t need to be playing toxic by shaking my head at her, I struggled to get hooks etc
So it’s like…if I went in/go in and full on sweat and 4k..I’m toxic..and if I play casual with no intentions of getting anyone out of the match, but do anything the Survivor doesn’t like, I’m also toxic?
It just feels like there’s no winning..Killer will be harassed, no matter the playstyle chosen. Feedback? Do I just show no mercy if I’m going to be harassed anyway? I just thought everyone might like to get their challenges done and chill a bit, instead of having a sweat every match.
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Casual does not exist on either side anymore (Assuming you’re at a higher MMR)
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You should only listen to people who bring merit into what they have to say. If the Kate whines about non-existent 'toxicity', you just laugh at her instead.
Alternatively (or additionally, depending on perspective), don't listen to negativity that doesn't offer a chance for improvement. If someone is negative about your playstyle, you can choose to listen if the were claiming you lacked skill, and you wished to 'prove' them wrong in the future. At the same time, you can always expect an opponent to be negative by the sheer virtue of being an adversary, so you can ignore it just the same.
There always is the idea of the golden rule, or don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to yourself, but there also comes a level of understanding that this is a versus game, and someone must lose for someone else to win. Balancing the concerns of victory against specific unenjoyable actions would probably yield the best results.
Also it is important to keep in mind the human element of negativity bias. Someone may play 10 Killer matches, get complimented on their Huntress shots in match 3, and berated for doing X in match 7, and match 7 will stick in their mind with more weight as if it occurred within matches 7, 8, 9, and 10. Try to track how often things actually occur, and you likely will find most games with no endgame chat at all (beyond maybe a gg).
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The way I play is casually but optimally. Survivors understand why Im doing certain things because its just logical. Because of this, I get very little complaints.
Tunneling isnt just something you do all of a sudden because youre losing, its something you do when the opportunity arises. If you just so happen to run into the Survivor that was unhooked not too long ago dont ignore them, punish them for their mistake. If a Survivor was just unhooked while Im near and runs into a deadzone while the savior runs to a strong set of loops, Im not gonna throw the game and go for the savior
Same can be said with camping, you do it when the opportunity arises. If theyre multiple Survivors around the hook you have no reason to leave. Your best form of slowdown isnt perks or even kicking gens, its getting Survivors off gens as much as possible.
And just like the other 2, the same can also be said for slugging. Some killers almost require it (such as Oni or Dredge) as they get much more value out of their power for doing so. As any killer how ever, many opportunities will present themselves of when slugging is the best option/necessary, which is a skill you get with time and experience.
Realize that all 3 of these arent done out of spite, which is when these are all deemed as unfun for the majority of the playerbase. In fact the ways listed here is probably the sweatiest way of playing but its not in an unfun way. Most people when they recognize that it wasnt the game or your fault that they died but themselves, theyre usually a lot more understanding.
Now of course even with all of that you can have some people be upset regardless. And to that I say theres no reason to be bothered by some one whos not thinking clearly.
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my advice is play in a way survivors hate. in this game survivors hate and will consider the most effective strategy toxic. if you play by their game rules you'll be destroyed majority of the time and taunted at endgame
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Play how you want. Tune it all out. No matter what you do, there's going to be someone who's upset. Who cares?
Lately I've been going in as slinger going for good 1v1 shots. Not caring about anything else and I've been having a blast.
Win. Lose. 3k 1k 4k. Who cares? Play how you want to play man. The real players of this game won't rage at you in the end. Have fun. Tune the rest out.
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If you play exclusively solo q survivor it doesn't matter how much you sweat, you're casual.
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Since we can't read minds, we never know the other side's actual intentions. So my advice is just play the game as you find fun and then say GGWP at the end. If you get salt, shrug it off. Like great example. Today playing Pig with Amanda's Letter (lets you see auras near you when crouched) I would hook them, then crouch and look around before moving away. Nearly every time there was a survivor trying to hide near the hook, so I'd ambush them, then down them as they made the save, doing a hook trade. End game someone says "Nice camping" and I was like "What? When did I camp?" and the survivor was like "You totally were camping." Funny thing is, apparently the other 3 survivors were a SWF and they actually defended me and told me how much they love Pig.
So yea, just play the way you need to do to have fun and accept that sometimes that will trigger the other side's sense of fun, that's something you can't help. It took me awhile, but I am to the point that I appreciate a great Head On play, sometimes even a good flashlight stun, when I don't get tired of them and throw on Lightborn.
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This game is a game where the killer gets in the way of the survivors.
Killers are toxic to survivors
you personally don't have to worry about it
If you want to be friends with your enemies, please play another game.
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Toxic people will be toxic to others, no matter how others play. Its up to you how you want to play.
The only thing you or most killers have to understand: the harder you dont want to lose, so do survivors.
I barely use Meta on both sides, I usually play against killers who go 8 hooks before kill, as rarely against toxic squads.
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I've been desperately trying to be able to play solo survivor for like the past two weeks without a 10+ minute wait and unless its 5 a.m. my time, I can't...
So, you're not alone in your frustration with the killer role, apparently.
There isn't a whole lot you can do about it, this is the game that evolved under the direction of the developer. It is as intended. All of it.
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No matter how you play, fair or dirty, casual or hard, survivors always cry and try to spit on you.
Just don't care about them, play as you want, have fun and if they start to insult you laugh and report them
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Play in whatever way is fun for you and try not to go out of your way to be a bad sport. You will get the occasional sore loser / winner anyway but it's best to focus on yourself when that happens.
I was called toxic for going out of my way to get 8 hooks before my first kill, running meme builds, sending myself to extremely detrimental maps, playing whatever character I played, writing gg and even for giving hatch. Someone will always find a reason to insult you. It's best to not take it too serious.
Remember, we are all just humans (with the exeptions of Demodoggo, Xenokitty, a Turkey and one meaty robot thing). That also means, that our emotions sometimes get the better of us and we behave irrational.
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No one ever wins.
I've seen literally everything at this point, from killers claiming pallet stunning is toxic to survivors crying because they weren't given hatch.
You'll never please everyone so there's no point trying. Case in point you think a survivor doing a gen near you is rude while nodding is fine because you're "the killer after all". In an alternate universe that Kate is the one complaining about the interaction on the forums.
Anyways what I'm saying is do what you want, stop caring about in-game taunts and report people who insult you in post game chat / message (and turn those off if it gets to you or happens often).
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I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
It sucks when you go out of your way to "play nice" as Killer and still get those types of reactions.
Feels like a slap in the face.
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I agree with wanting to play it chill during the event, but I think this is just the experience of dbd overall. Personally I've seen more killers sweat through but I believe that plenty of swfs are having a great time exploiting the void and taking full advantage of a killer trying to participate in the event by rushing to endgame like there's a $50k prize for the quad escape. Honestly this event is great but the community has grown so bad that it's not all that enjoyable anymore
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With that many kills I'm assuming you are around 1k hours.
This means you should know by now : you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
A couple of days ago I played against a full SWF of clones trolls (yay) with Legion (daily, damn) on the garden of pain (damn damn damn).
Their collective build was geared around destroying hooks "forever" (compared to the duration of a match), being unhookable (6 "grunts" and they escaped my grasp), marginally not sluggable and MFT ... I think.
This is the first "bully" squad that has survived for a very long time (I honestly can't recall the last time it happened. It's a first this year at the very least.).
My biggest regret? Not going full-on from the start (I didn't managed to get the 3rd hook. Had I been immediately serious I might have). Also, playing Legion with a basic build.
Morality? Always go full on. You can still decide to loosen up if the survivors are all crying at four gens.
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I always play "nice" now. What I mean by that is that I royally spank the survivors and hook them twice, then I don't hook them until they have done some gens (I still slug, but not the four at once). I even let some survive if I pity them too much (I'm a Nurse main and bad matchmaking can be bad)
If I underestimated them, I'm still in a good position to win. Also, the remaining ones are usually happy to have survived. They often give me their stuff before leaving. (It feels nice.)
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Why entertain the Kate's opinion of how you play in the first place, what exactly qualifies them to make assessments of it? Nothing.
Play how you feel, play as you like, play within the rules as defined by BHVR.
Everything else is white noise.
As the ol saying goes, "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep".
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Meeting a toxic player is just that. You met a toxic player. I'm not sure why it's a question of killer automony. People get upset when they lose and blame ANYTHING they can identify as a justification for that. It's as simple as that. It's got nothing to do with killers not being able to play the game. You met a player who had a bad attitude and they were going to criticize you for something. The head shake was just the simplest thing they could use to justify their outburst.
I once played against someone on a fighting game, and they gave me crap for doing combos. Not like an infinite, just basic combos. Like I said, the subject of critique doesn't matter, as it was coming as soon as you outplayed them regardless of what you did. I encountered an idiot and I quickly brushed it off. You should do the same when you encounter these kinds of people.
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I think some survivors want a Dungeon master or someone to play like a bot. Someone to give the illusion of a challenge but not too hard so that they lose the game. They want someone who will pull punches. Like I can understand that you dont want a sweaty killer as much as killers dont want sweaty survivors but there needs to be some level of challenge and it often sounds like they dont want any or at least reduce their skill ceiling so that they dont need to learn anything advanced with the game.
Main issue is BHVR takes their complaints to heart. Even if it is at the cost of the killer expirence. I mean there is a reason why the queue is getting longer and longer. You already play the hardest role in the game and get bereated for even playing it. I think the game needs a matchmaking versus bot so these players can finally have the killer they want.
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there are so many different types of survivors out there and no matter how you play there will be some who whine about something you did
the best thing you can do is avoid doing things that you think would be reasonable to be upset about (i.e. 4 man slugging for bleed outs, etc) and ignore anyone that's unreasonable.
It's hard to do, but my life improved so much when I fully came to peace with ignoring people who are being unreasonable
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