I recommend unbreakable, MFT, Calm Spirit every match

I second this.

Plot Twist is a decent alternative for only a single perk slot.

You can't scream on the ground, you silence yourself on the ground from the perk, and you likely will have been injured already. I won a match against a sweatlord turbo-tunneling Oni among other uncouth behaviors, and we finished the gens and I was able to point my teammate to one gate I 99'd. They got out and the Oni went into power attempting and failing to down them, then I was able to crawl most of the way to the gate and recover and sprint out when his power ran out. Killers using UW also likely are passing up other intel perks, so you don't have to worry about a BBQ or Floods proc revealing you on the ground.

DS needs to find its way back into the meta.

The “tunnel” meta has become so common, because there are fewer and fewer people running it.

I leave DS on every single game, and I have no plans of taking it off. It does need a second perk with it to be really viable, I recommend DH or OTR.

Wasn't BT implanted into Survivor basekit for this reason but its suddenly not enough now? How much Endurance and second chances do you guys need?

Yes yes , as a killer i want all pallets to break instantly whenever they are within 10 yards of them and also windows should be closed forever including future matches after they have been used once.

Survivors don't need more tools , they already have plenty

You're more than welcome to use these perks. Especially MFT. Let's get it all the way up 75% pick rate, so the devs will nerf it.

I'm looking forward to it.

I'm a dedicated survivor main who generally believes this game is much too nice to killers, but with the survivor HUD you can avoid tunneling off hook relatively easy. If there isn't another survivor being chased when you are unhooked, get away from the hook. Sure, they might still come to tunnel you, but you have time to create distance towards a deadzone where chasing after you is a waste of their time (far too many survivors run towards the gens were the killer is all too happy to chase). As the unhooker, don't unhook until you see another chase started or the killer actively move far away.

If the killer is proxy camping, that's more annoying because unless you are in a SWF its hard to communicate, but wait until the very end of the hook state to unhook and hope the other survivors stay on gens.

Also, Off the Record. Even if you lose the endurance the aura hide and quiet effects remain.

If you find yourself unhooking a lot, bring We'll Make It for the very fast heals.

Collision should really be removed after hook, total agreement. If it deactivate by CA or just when base BT runs out is up for debate.

Endurance stacking was a general problem, and way easier to exploit than you make it seem. Just equip OTR and DH and take a styptic with you, and you could potentially tank 3 hits after unhook before going done, with no interaction of other survivors (except them unhooking you). Sure this 3 tanked hits would help immensly against a tunneling killer, but could also be used aggressively by body blocking a killer from another teammate. Thats by no means "going out of ones way" to make it work.

Think about what is going through the killer's mind.

You get unhooked and run toward a dead zone. If the killer does not see you run in that direction they are less likely to check that area because there are no gens to defend. If they do see you, they now have to pursue you at the cost of putting themselves farther away from the gens.

But there's more than that. When they down and put you on the hook for your 2nd state, you're now in the dead zone. This is critical to avoid being tunneled. If you get hooked near where the gens are getting done, you're practically inviting the tunnel because the killer is almost certainly going to be in that area anyway.

If you're hooked away from the gens, the killer now has a lot of ground to cover to tunnel you, then still make it back. This gives the rescuer time to heal you, plus makes it much less likely the killer attempts in the first place. It also makes it less likely the killer will proxy camp, because the killer can't both camp you and defend gens.

Unless you are an elite looper, Windows and MFT are bad strategies to avoid being tunneled (and if you are an elite looper, you want to be tunneled anyway). The killer is going to catch any non-elite looper, especially if they don't give them time to heal. The idea is to put yourself in positions where the idea of tunneling you is extremely unappealing.

I mean people who want to 3-4k will always tunnel off hook because that's the only semi-reliable way to get that.

I had several games today where i tunneled a guy out, just because some survivor couldnt wait for me to leave, and also didnt care to cover for their teammate. When you hook, turn to a rift 5meters away, and then he already gets unhooked and when you turn hes the only one you see, yeah, than thats the one i go for. But i really think thats on survivors, not the killer.

I see, gaining collision back only after CA would guarantee no endurance bodyblock at all, that makes sense.

Endurance stacking is still not good, imo. Sure a styptic cannot be used when in deep wound, so likely not from a surv under BT protection. But we have new sources of endurance since then, most notoriously MFT. Any endurance effect could be stacked with DH. Even If it's just two endurances stacked together, it feels awful enough to hit in one pickup endurance already (by MFT or FTP). Those two already enable stupid, risky plays to be relatively safe, no need to make it even safer.

There already isn't Endurance stacking by virtue of the Deep Wound mechanic. I'm just saying Endurance that is ONLY for anti-tunnel (BT/OTR) shouldn't Deep Wound. If they are rescued, the Killer can easily down the rescuer, if they Kobe, the Killer can burn through the anti-tunnel Endurance. Overall it would go a long way to encourage positive gameplay behaviors (as in things that don't make people quit).

I feel like "there's too much Endurance" is a bit of a joke of a complaint almost like "there's too much Exposed". Like sure, the big ones come into play more often compared to nothing, but are easily countered in most scenarios (spreading pressure against FtP + Buckle Up, and cleansing totems on non-Midwich maps against Devour).

So you mean BT and OTR giving mettle effect instead of endurance / deep wound, but lose collision so you cannot body block. That might work, yeah.

Probably combined with the perk/item reveal in the top right whenever you hit any Endurance status effect. Like when you hit a DS, or get affected by a hex as Survivor. Little pop up of 'OTR'/'MoM'/'Basekit BT'. As long as the info is clear as well, as sometimes people may not know what a Styptic is, or how OTR silences grunts of pain, and this helps ease that learning process.