Pinhead seems like the weakest killer in DBD

Not bad, just too hard for how little he offers. His chains don't feel nearly punishing enough, especially long range ones for how hard they are to land.

Maybe *weakest high tier killer* his passive slowdown and ability to shut down certain loops doesn't make him bad by any stretch of the imagination.... Unless you use a controller

his chains need buff. he is weak in 1vs1 but has strong 4vs1 passive. your not playing him wrong. he is not very good at 1vs1 and he is needed buff in 1vs1. His chains should not break on environment and he should not break his own chains. he could also maybe use 0.25 buff to durability on his chains.

he is not weakest killer due to his passive game-delay but he is almost pure m1 vs top player until they buffed his anti-loop.

Btw...

Can we play him again?

Are all the bugs fixed now?

actually as of right now he is pretty bug free minus the plot twist interaction which isnt really a bug but should be changed, and the bug involving the locker grab which may or may not also be kind of fixed right now from my testing, they patched him pretty good as of the Halloween update

there is though, I have nearly 0 issues with this minus a handful of loops example being the warden's office in Lerrys, and a few other locations on the map. The reward is there but most people expect simply hitting the chain to be a free hit, its not you have to think about your own movement and your own place of the chain. I've dedicated many many hours to mastering this and I can tell you that this isn't an issue and part of the high skill level with cenobite. If you really are having these issues you have not quite gotten to that point of true understanding of his power. This isn't me trying to be condescending either I have such a large understanding of this killer and when people say things such as what you have said it really just tells me you haven't learned his full potential yet. And I have the experience and understanding to back this up.

I think he is overhated, I love pinhead even in solo q, I just hate that many of them resort to tunneling and proxy camping when they cant hit the possessed chain and turn a fun killer into a boring one. Fun pinheads use their m2 which is a lot easier to dodge then people think, however a good pinhead is something ive also come to respect as a good pinhead is very hard to beat because they can make chases very short with good placed m2s. And yes his ability to play aggressively against the box with box logic makes him IMO a top A tier killer as if you understand that part of his power tied with knowing how to m2 you will destroy even the best of teams in pubs especially if you run a build to back it up and part of the reason I got to 244 wins in a row with pinhead. And he is a pub stomper, but its because he isnt played often and so many people dont understand the tricks and things you can do to help again him and just throw that "hes a solo q stomper" quote out every time instead of learning. I employ my own tactics that I hate when playing against pinheads and it works extremely well until they start proxy camping and focusing someone out of the game and people are not sitting on gens hard enough as its happening which can be frustrating but thats not a pinhead thing that a dbd game in general thing.

I have played other killers that have similar nature of getting bursts of speed. I understand how to judge distances very well. This ability is pretty hard to land vs good player and the reward just does not meet the difficulty. the fact you need deal with RNG for whether your ability works or not is just silly. Some survivor that I have played against break chains almost as fast as me chaining them. The people that understand to just Hold m1 when they get hit by chains and stand in positions where they rubberband objects to break chains quickly is not fun. Your barely getting any distance with this ability in straight lines because when you channel gateway, you slow down to nurse's speed so you naturally lose distance so when you pair that with RNG of this ability. Your almost expected to land every chain for the ability to do anything but survivor needs very little effort to produce long chases against him. current pinhead needs 1vs1's buffs. He has high kill-rate because of survivor's mismanaging the box and new player that don't understand how the box works.

Pinhead now is like balanced around new players. it is sad because his gameplay is fun but ultimately unrewarding.

I hope you understand how strong he would be if the chains couldn't break on the environment. Making it take longer to break is gonna be the best outcome

I'm usually the last one to pull content creators especially when they dont do it themselves here but i think this one does well.

Keep in mind while this wasn't a 100% comp setting this team was still better than easily 90% of SWFs out there. Pinhead is certainly a very tricky Killer to master because not only are his chains very tricky but you also need a lot of game sense, now more than ever since Hoarder has been nerfed, but it wasn't really ever completely necessary.

This match also shows the point i have been trying to make when i said Pinhead is a relatively healthy Killer because he almost never benefits from camping/tunneling compared to other Killers, its almost always better to go for the Box and switch targets, even in a potentially competitive setting where the meta for a long time has been tunneling pretty much.

He is not a mere noob/pub stomper, while he is surely stronger against them that applies to literally every Killer because bad uncoordinated survivors are easier to go against with every Killer.

I'm just glad that the Pinhead glitches have been fixed so i can finally play him again, i did not play him for far to long.

Definitely not the weakest but he is quite inconsistent. There are maps where his active ability power will barely help him like Lery's but there are also maps Dead Dawg where a good chain can easily end the chase.

Something that very good Pinhead players do is charge their power so that they can hit a survivor from the direction they are running in. This can make it much harder for the survivor to break the chains by using obstacles.

The box can also be pretty powerful, if you know how to play around it. Once you start chaining it, the survivors can barely progress the game and you always have an extra edge in chase.

that game exactly shows my point about how bad pinhead's 1vs1 is. first you need have incredible aim accuracy to use chains, like I am not joking but it is harder to use his chains accurately vs good survivors than it is to land like blight rushes and nurse blinks. you can see how many times he misses chains in that match. disregarding mechanical difficult of using this ability, he is not getting rewarded for his chains. Just to give an example, 21:12 he is near Lisa at around 10 meters away, He is casting his chains, he lands chains but gets no hit. To be fair, he does not move around the pallet after hitting Lisa but even if he did, he might not make it just because chains are likely to break before pinhead makes any distance.

Another example is 22:13 where he lands a chain around crane loop but survivor still gets to the pallet. He still get hits m1 hits on nancy who is body blocking but actual chase with power results in no value. You see how pinhead's anti-loop is ineffective? He is landing precise skill-shot but it is not mattering in outcome of the 1vs1.

The survivor have some of worst loop rng. they have 4 four walls, a long-wall pallet and that new double window loop. the reason why pinhead is doing so well is because survivor's do not have typical stronger loop setups in the map. All hits he is getting is not because of 1vs1 chain anti-loop. it is all m1 gameplay. Pinhead chains are suppose to be anti-loop but pinhead player knows from experience how ineffective the anti-loop is which is why he is breaking pallets. there is no point in trying to use his chains around loops.

Your game showcases everything I talked about with pinhead in regards to 1vs1. as you correctly point out, hoarder no longer works with the box so that outcome is likely to be way worse as less chain-hunt are likely to activate.

Considering the 1vs1 power barely works currently, I don't even know what power-level the chains are considering current version of them is terrible. At best, his power is like pink bottle clown, so i am pretty sure his power working correctly will not suddenly make his 1vs1 strong given that it has big counter-play in the player missing his chains as shown in the video.

I don't think he is the weakest.

He has very powerful addons in purple rarity which turn him into very viable killer.

Also once you start to predict where next cube spawns, you will get much better with him.

Pinhead is A tier killer imo.

oh hey that's me :D and yea this video is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, team misery is not a bad comp team in fact they are normally quite high on comp setting leaderboards when playing in tourneys, and the fact I performed as well against them without corrupt and without impaling wire and original pain just goes to show how good pinhead is.

sure but in feng's case, you down her in a deadzone. this is another thing. If the killer hits a survivor and the survivor runs hold-w because your going to acquire free bloodlust 1 to down her. it is to point that it is unreward to use his skill that your better off just being 5% faster then using it. your suppose use it only when it would change outcome from no hit to a hit but that point almost never happens even when your very close to the survivor. the chains just have no durability and no consistency. any killer would get hit there with 0 powers. Anti-loop power are designed to shorten the chase compare to other killers and pinhead chain power is unsuccessful at shortening chases.

I actually compare him to deathslinger but with clown pink bottle-level rewards.

No i agree with your performance that missing chains is inevitable especially against a quality team. I would likely miss just as many chains as you. it is hard power to use at its peak performance. there is a lot of mindgame potencial and counter-play to avoiding his ability as survivor. My point is that you should be getting rewards in from your chain hits when you are successful at using his ability. The skill-factor of survivor is suppose to be avoiding the skill-shot. The breaking of chains through environment/pinhead & struggling mechanic is excessive counter-play. Playing poorly in the chase should be punishing. Currently, it is not the case.

His chains were even worse when DH for distance/Iframes was possible pre 6.1 because I would even dead hard his skill-shot in many cases. I respectfully disagree that making his power rewarding would make him unfun to face as survivor. the fact that his power is that dysfunctional sometimes makes me lazy to dodge his ability because i know that the hit does not matter because I just break free and get to the pallet anyway.

Exactly. And his builds are a little different than a traditional M1 killer. I almost always take Devour Hope with him because Devour+chain hunts is GG.