Saying GG is now toxic?

I always say "gg", unless I don't think it was a good game. Then I either write "well played" (when I get absolutely stomped) or nothing at all (when I stomped or played against exploiters / cheaters).

A match in which I am paired with complete beginners cannot be a good game for me, because that's boring. Or fascinating. Sometimes it's like watching a rare animal and trying to understand their behavior. Nature is truly marvellous.

There's a little arrow thing next to the chat. Clicking that removes the chat. You can show the chat against by clicking the arrow button again.

yes I'm sure all reports are 100% legit and not for dumb reasons, say gg after a stomp and I will report you for chat abuse, if you lack common sense you deserve it

Yes, this is one of those scenarios where you have to read the room. You have to remember that text doesn't have intination or facial expression to help with understanding meaning. This means the same phrase can be interpreted in many ways, and the way you read and interpret things largely depends on your mood at the time. This is why emojis exist to help convey that. For example:

You're so stupid sometimes.

You're so stupid sometimes. 😡

You're so stupid sometimes. 🤣

You're so stupid sometimes. 🧡

After a particularly one sided game, tempers and emotions can be running high, and if at that moment you decide to exclaim "GG", it can come across patronising and antagonistic.

That same person after a close fought contest that could have gone either way that ended in a tie, will have a completely different reaction to the same phrase.

So while you aren't at fault, it's important to acknowledge that, yes, in some scenarios GG certainly does come across as toxic.

You can toggle both and their toggles are separate. So you can decide to keep end game chat and have turn off lobby chat or decide to keep lobby chat and turn off end game chat.

How do you turn it off?

Honestly, it was a tough decision as I've met a lot of cool people in the end game chat but I'm so tired of crybabies, complainers, and sore losers (or even entitled winners that still have something to gripe about) taking up most of what goes into end game chat aside from "GG" so I just turned it off also.

I actually don't mind trash talk, I'm not sensitive to it and can dish it out, and it's actually fun using it as an opportunity to turn the screws on someone who is obviously tilted because it's funny to me when someone is so heated over a video game but yeah... the entitled complaining. I'm over it.

Is it that time already for the monthly sportsmanship thread? 🤔 I had it down for next Tuesday. I think someone e-mailed me the wrong calendar. LARRY!

Drop a GG and say Hakuna Matata 🤗.

I think it might be the “that was a rough map” part honestly.

If you are saying it to someone after they lost then they are probably frustrated and saying that might make them feel worse.

If you say it after you lost then it’s just because people are jerks and they probably think you’re looking for an excuse as to why you lost so they bring out the “nah maps good you just suck” thing.

I’ve never been flamed for saying “gg” beyond someone saying “nah” or “no that was a bad game”. But if I say more then there’s something for them to use against me.

I don’t think gg or anything you said is toxic, but some people in this community love to attack everyone for no reason.

I feel like this is a big misperception. Most survivors move on when they're sacrificed because they just want to get to their next game. Most don't have any interest in hanging around until endgame just to say ggs. Killers are always there until the end of the match, so it feels like those who lose aren't being good sports. Those who win are also always there at the end of the game, so those are who the killer is likely going to communicate with.

You're entirely misunderstanding what's happening here.

In an online space, you cannot gauge how someone feels after an interaction. After a physical sports match, you can see it. You can feel the vibe, if you will. If you know you wiped the floor with someone, you're not gonna go "tough luck xxx". You'll shake hands or bow or whatever, and leave it at that. Nothing more. Which, might I add, is meaningless in itself. Because it's forced through the culture.

"GG" is the closest equivalent, but it's still nowhere close an implied social rule. There's no people looking down at you when you don't say GG. Especially in DbD, where there's 5 people max, most of which will have left long before it even becomes relevant, nobody gives a damn if the chatbox remains empty. Hell, well over half the playerbase can't even use it, period.

Why is it then that you're so hung up on someone not having the reponse you expect from them? They're under no rule, implied or otherwise, to return the gesture. This is not a sports match. You should be well-aware of that.

But it's you who is taking the time to write out the "tough map but you played well <3". Writing that out in itself is not the standard, so it stands out - it's going to be read as a meaningful phrase, and it will be read in whatever way the reader is feeling like. In an online space, where "<3" has taken on the meaning of an implied sarcastic tone, the message of "tough luck" then turns into a phrase of condecension.

Different cultures, different expectations.

Hello hi i am a person on the autistic spectrum with a fascination (and deeply rooted hatred) for implied social rules.

It confuses me but I will simply keep saying gg and if people immediately think "but what if.. it means.. git gud..?" then I'm sorry but that's not my problem.

I'm not gonna assume anything about others for not saying it back. Just like 99%+ of the time a gg is at worst just an empty formality, no response is probably 99%+ of the time a player that just clicked continue and went back in the queue which is totally understandable.

Enough people have used "GG" in an ironic patronizing way for enough years that I don't view it as a genuine statement anymore.

I wouldn't say it toxic per se and of course it's a "them problem" if the opposition can't ignore it, no matter their frustration.

But on the other hand I would call it a "you problem" when you can't "read the room" or rather take/ignore negative feedback to your nicely meant gesture in a specific scenario.

I find the position of viewing GG in the wrong moment as negativ relatable. From my experience 80-90% after game chat are silent or negativ and only 10-20% are neutral or even positiv (and before you come at me with "must be you", this was in the time I played extra friendly without Camping/tunneling/excessive slugging).

If this is the experience for others then I don't blame them for taking a GG the wrong way after a lopsided game.

My personal experience with giving negativ feedback to a GG was only once after a 5 event offering Match as blight (with whom I am incredibly bad/have had not enough experience) on old haddonfield that ended in roughly 5 minutes with only two hard fought hooks, 0 kills and less than 10k BP.

Afterwards they gave me a rare GG, upon which I thought "of course a GG after such a stomp" and answered "not for me". And then I got showered with one of the worst examples of aggressive toxicity I ever saw in my time.

So, sorry if some don't take kindly to your GG but their is always two sides to this.

It depends on the circumstances.

I dont think that the majority of people who say "gg" after a bad game for the other side to it out of spite. I think it is mostly an automatism to write a quick "gg" after a game. Others probably want to do it to be nice.

But given how the match went, I can totally understand why people dont like a "gg".

A few days ago I had a game against a Nurse. She hooked two people (myself and another Survivor, who I then unhooked) and slugged everyone else. In the end, she one-hooked two Survivors and the other two were two-hooked. At 5 Gens. Nobody had more than 3k points, she completely destroyed our Survivor-Team. And a "gg" afterwards is not really nice. I wrote "Please dont be a bad winner", because this is how it feels like.

I also dont like to get a "gg" if I really struggled in a game as Killer. I dont mind losing too much, even if I only manage to get one Hook total, it is most likely up to me anyway. But a "gg" when the other side probably did not have fun is not nice.

I am also not saying "gg" if I won dominant as Killer or when the Killer really had an issue. I also dont think that writing "gg" is really the best thing to do when there is a DC or an early hook suicide. If the other players played well, something like "gg, shame for the DC, but you played well" or something similar would be better.

So yeah, while I dont think that many people say "gg" to be toxic after the other side clearly did not have fun, I can understand why it can seem like the person wants to be toxic.

you guys love @me with empty messages, what is false champ ?

I will continue to report people writing "ggs <3", you can't stop me

The difference is that in real life you can read your opponents facial expression and their tone of voice, so you know that it is a genuine expression of good sportmanship.

I struggle to see a "gg" from an insidious basement bubba (I know, not possible anymore, it's just an example) as anything other than a provocation, trying to bait reactions like "a camping bubba ist not a good game". Obviously I just ignore those messages, answering a provocation is a waste of time, but I do not percieve them as genuine sportsmanship.

Also, here is an example that not everybody means it in a positive way:

Not every sport is competitive and/or team based btw.

At this point, I might as well close the post chat and move on to the game, if this is the case.