Can We Enforce Vanilla Gameplay?
I hear many mentions throughout this community that you allow ReShade and Filters to be able to run on Dead By Daylight without a ban, I have even seen ways to utilize the game files in such a way to gain specific advantages.
If so, why isn't this considered cheating especially since you have crossplay (consoles) along with many players who want to play vanilla to provide fairness for both sides? And how does the anti cheat not detect this sort of activity? Or even what is the point of having an anti cheat if it's not going to do its job to protect players that want to play the game legit out of respect for other players?
Your game in its pure state (vanilla) provides protection for survivors and also can make the chases unpredictable and quite fun for both sides depending on the killer in play respectively, which is why many play DBD in the first place and is the best product you guys have and is the most superior asymmetrical game on the market. With that said, a subtle cheater or even someone that has better vision than the other players because they downloaded outside software. Or were able to configure the game files while the other platform physically can't do this or does not want to participate in this sort of behavior, because that's what it is, a behavior. These players are hurting the experience of any player who plays dbd pure while also pushing away potential word of mouth that can be gained with a fair system granting more future players overall. No matter what, any sort of advantage can save the killer minutes leading to a very unfair trial, and on survivor even wasting a killers time for say 30 seconds can mean an escape or even multiple escapes from the team that were not earned.
This is not a critique towards you all general, I understand that no anti cheat is perfect or maybe you don't have the time to implement a system that detects anything manipulated within the files of the game. But is there any way to enforce vanilla play? Meaning if your files are tweaked in any way you receive a ban, progression removal, and have to buy a new copy? For some reason most of the community finds what I'm saying is taboo, or that a "small" advantage is fine. But honestly, I believe in doing the right thing for all players that play fair for the enjoyment of other players and continue to keep trials exciting. What I don't believe in is making players feel insecure about each trial they go into not knowing if someone is cheating or not. I know this is a difficult situation, and maybe you guys are working on it (I hope) but this game needs to be able to protect its players that play vanilla.
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Don't expect any actual honest replies, they'll just pull the "oh its for accessibility!" card and then say stuff like oh the game is too dark so its hard to see killer/survivor so i need to run filters that boost brightness to the point every map looks like it takes place in the middle of a sunny day etc
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You can use filters via amd or Nvidia Programms to increase brightness and what not.. Is that also cheating the? Usually games provide you with such options to adjust it in a way that you can see what is important and what not, this is something every game should have. And adjusting your graphics drivers cannot be considered cheating under any definition, so no.
Also nobody would need to change values in files and what not if they just added basic setting, just think about how long it took them to add anti aliasing and vsync and other stuff that used to be a standard setting like ten years ago, that's just not acceptable for a modern game, if they don't provide basic functionality and setting then nobody can really complain if people take it into their own hands.
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Fact is, cheating means you are actually a loser but trying to camouflage it with something that seems cool to yourself. But still a loser......
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I think BHVR allows them because of their lack of accessibility options (and maybe it's too difficult/ expensive to implement, idk anything about these kind of things). I tried a filter for a couple days to compensate for my peculiar vision issues and it was night & day.
(Then I chickened out and uninstalled it because I was scared I'd get banned if BHVR changed their mind about it lol)
There's surely many people who use them for an advantage but there's also a bunch who use it for accessibility or just to make their game look nice. Cheaters will find an other way to gain an advantage, monitors with built-in filters and options are common nowadays anyway so it's not like BHVR could get rid of them all if they wanted to.
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They should add really bright and crisp filters on console to even this out.
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For me this is actually the truth. The Autoheaven maps are very difficult for me to see anything that is remotely "dark". I tried all in-game options and none worked.
I only use slight alterations like more contrast and 3% more brightness and only for this realm. If I don't and you play a killer/survivor in dark clothes I am physically unable to see you because of the weird green/black color palette of the map. Doesn't matter if you are Myers, GF, Pig, Slinger, Wesker, Hag or a Claudette. The only way I can see killers on this realm in certain areas is by their red light. The rest just blends in.
If you give me more options to accommodate for my ######### vision on Autoheaven (and Springwood in some cases) then yes (see above). But you can't just call all people cheaters just because they use their GPU drivers.
Sure there are extremes, especially in comp dbd, where I have seen some filters which just make everything greyed out except red, so they can scratches/red stain better. Or the ultra saturated bright ones.
Also modern monitors come with similar filters and you can't just deny people to use certain monitors.
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Exactly all of that!
Tired of seeing people claim "they say it's for accessibility but their game barely has shadows", like obviously the game is going to look too bright to people with good vision. If there was no difference then the filter would be of no help whatsoever.
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I personally think that if this is an accessibility issue just stick to single player games, the game is designed a specific way to protect its players and provide skilled play through having to actually pay attention to what is going on in the trial plain and simple. If you are gaining an advantage over the other in any way since anything little in DBD can boost you tremendously, you are hurting the experience.
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They actually could eradicate them all easily, especially since all you have to do is set the file structure to be followed the same way regardless or it results in a ban and loss of all progress. You have to trap the cheaters; you can even make a signed waiver (which we all agree to a user agreement anyways so why not just add in complete anti cheat in the process to protect players) before anyone plays the live service to begin with and add a phone number. They will never ever do it again and it will help out the vanilla/console players tremendously. You see common sense will save everyone and the game will make tremendous amounts of more money rather than have players quit because they go against a cheater discouraging play.
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Unenforceable. Most of the filters and such that our PC cousins can use do not mess around with the game files. So their anti-cheat couldn't check for them anyway.
Do I personally think such gimmicks are actual cheating? As a DBD consoler I want to, but the others are correct about most modern games having wayyyyyyy more options built in. So that's on the devs, not on PCrs. And that's without getting I to any accessibility concerns.
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I am not gaining any advantage. I am literally at a disadvantage on Autoheaven if I do not slightly change the contrast/brightness. I am not ruining the experience of anyone when I do this. I am not making everything more saturated or a lot brighter so I get blinded on Eyrie of Crows or Ormond. I do not brighten red hues to see scratches better.
I just do a very small alteration on 1 realm so that I am able to play the game normally and not guess it there is something coming towards me.
I will not just "stick to single player games" just because you think you can tell me what I am allowed to do and what not. I know very well how filters are seen by a lot of people. Which is exactly the reason why I keep it as minimal as possible, as I do not want an unfair advantage. I just don't want to have a disadvantage.
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no people can play any game they chose and no one should be forced onto single player games because of a disability.
being able to put on the same level as other players who are not disabled is not gaining an advantage.
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Well spoken.
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Most of these filters are either done via a GPU driver or via the monitor itself.
Anf both do not change files, they change how the desktop looks in it's entirety as long as you play.
So if you make it more bright during playing and you tab out to open the browser everything will be brighter too.
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I'm sure you can make it so it only applies to specific programs and not everything but yeah...
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Me and my Xbox and my old ass TV didn't understand most of whatever you just said! 🤪😂🤣
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Then play against only the bots, you have no right to have an advantage over anyone. You are hurting the experience for everyone else and should not be able to play. I'm all for the devs adding in features for the disadvantaged, but I have no respect for anyone who's going to hurt everyone else's experience with DBD. Please stop cheating, you are killing the game by pushing players away from the game leading to lower sales/ engagement overall.
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It is associated with your exe. file so it is absolutely enforceable.
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LOL this can't be a real post.
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PC is ruining console experience
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Laugh all you want, but these players are the reason a lot of players can't engage with the game losing bvhr more money overall. This is the best asymmetrical game of all time and it deserves to shine financially and have fairness across the board.
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turn off cross play.
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Stop cheating.
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What? Filters don't touch the dbd exe. Easy anti cheat couldn't pick it up if it wanted too. It can barely detect actual cheats.
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I don't use filters. Even if I did though it isn't cheating. Deal with it.
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When you use Reshade it does lol, that's how it works for Skyrim and that's how it works for DBD too.
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It is cheating since you have an advantage over the other player(s). Objectively that makes sense.
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Reshade is whitelisted by EAC. EAC doesn't consider it cheating. Deal with it.
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Well looks like they have some work to do then.
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Does EAC allow it? Yes. I guess that means it isn't cheating then.
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Not true whatsoever, if you have an advantage over the other player it is cheating. It's actual common sense. If it allows it then they have work to do because they'll be bleeding players for survivor and killer. But remember stretch res was allowed until it was removed, this will be next.
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I tried that. Waited 20 minutes and NO game.
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I don't use Reshade, or filters, I play on PC. I am visually impaired and I do not consider the people who use reshade or filters to be cheaters. I am at a much more significant disadvantage than you regardless of hardware used. I do not consider it to be cheating.
Do you know why? Because it isn't.
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That is unfortunate. Ask bhvr for some ingame Brightness/Contrast/Gamma options then. its 2023 they should already be there.
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It is cheating because you have an advantage over someone in the game, and in DBD anything little in the chase can easily make a trial one sided, this is not fair for survivors or the killers since they do not have the protections provided by the base game systems. We can go at this all night; you have no right to claim that is not cheating because you are incorrect. You speak through feelings rather than logic. I am all for the developers to implement filters for all platforms but they are not implemented for most of the platforms therefore should not be allowed, and eventually it's not going to matter because it will be dealt with, more and more vanilla players are quitting the game due to this therefore more and more money is lost due to lack of engagement. This is a live service game and needs to make money, no players=no money. Cheating=Cheating.
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not cheating. you're the one who is speaking through feelings. I personally don't use them and do not care that others do. EAC has whitelisted them, therefore the anti cheat has decided they're not cheating. it is that simple. You can turn cross play off if you really feel like you're at a disadvantage.
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This argument is so silly to me because most modern TVs and monitors have these kinds of settings built-in. You can't ban someone for upping the contrast and vibrance of their TV, so why bother spending the time, money, and effort banning people doing the same thing but with filters? The distinction is arbitary.
Besides, if DbD had good customisation and accessibility options built-in, there would be no need for filters in the first place.
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Even old TVs can do this. And when I say old, I mean old.
I don't know about Reshade as I don't use it. But AMD's Adrenaline does afaik.
Stretched Res was an actual modification to the game files. If you are using "filters" by your GPU driver you don't (Reshade does get into the files though). It just detects that you stated the game and changes color temperature, contrast etc to the values you chose as long as you are in the game or as long as you want them (there is a macro to turn it off).
From the last comment I read of you here, you seem to be pretty emotional. Did you encounter a streamer who had their game ultra bright or something? You are aware that I can just change the gamma (brightness value) at my monitor right? Or that I can use filters that come with my monitor? Even (old) TVs have these. It's not like console players are helpless or anything.
You just think that people with vision difficulties have it "easier" with filters because what YOU see is DIFFERENT to what WE see. If I play on Autoheaven, and a remotely dark (=non neon/flashy) character stands beside one of the jungle gym walls or even just rocks with trash I can't see them without concentrating really hard. I asked multiple people if they are able to see them without much effort and they said yes. So this has to do with my vision. I am at a DISADVANTAGE on that realm. Because I see worse than other players.
I tried all in-game options. They just make it worse because I am not color-blind. They make all green shades darker or don't change them making the map even darker for me.
So I use slight modifications to see about the same as people without problems, which to you looks like cheating.
Again: I think what comp players do (desatursting everything but red) can be considered cheating as this is just making things a LOT easier than it should be. But I don't think that slight alterations are like that.
And now, if you can't accept our arguments and that we have other opinions than yourself, I will not talk to you any longer as any discussion with you would be a waste of time.
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Or they could use their TV's inbuilt settings to up brightness, change contrast, color temperature or even apply any filter. Those options already existed for TVs from the 90s, pre LCD. It's not like they are completely helpless or something.
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Then don't play the game, we need anyone in DBD who plays with an advantage over others who want to play the game fair.
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You don't get it, don't you?
Or are you trolling right now.
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I feel like a lot of people use them for accessibility but are often just put in a negative light since there are people who used them for an advantage.
People who need stuff like filters to see stuff (i.e. colorblindness or visual impairments which cannot be catered to with BHVR's settings) should not be held back by people taking things too far.
Also I know people love to bring up "people on Console are at a disadvantage" but Consoles/TVs have visual settings to help people see better as well; most of the settings through Nvidia are stuff that can be changed on your Console/TV display settings... I should know this, Im a former Console player.
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Yeah. Exactly. Even old TVs have such options like I mentioned here:
Sometimes I wonder if some players just complain so they have something they can complain about.
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some tvs suck for this though, my old tv was a nightmare and it was a 2018 model. I didn't notice how bad it was until I watched the game of thrones episode the long night at a friends place. I replaced it immediately barely a year old because even with the settings jacked up It was still way too dark.
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This is a problem of the model. The functions are still there.
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Its cheating when the devs consider it cheating. "The advantage", that can be had, is minimal in general. Sometimes very minimal to non existent. You should be playing single player games instead of posting on here.
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It's really not difficult to understand that disabled people aren't playing with an advantage you silly, silly person.
For example when at the begin of some games they ask to "change your luminosity / contrast until the symbol is barely visible" I always crank mine to the max and don't see the symbols at all. Unless I use an exterior program or filter so I can see the symbol as intended I'm playing at a disadvantage.
Obviously the game of someone compensating for a disadvantage is going to look too bright or whatever to someone with good vision.
If you are so adamant people should stop using filters that aren't considered cheats by the devs or EAC maybe you should be the one who plays against bots so people with bad vision aren't at a disadvantage against you considering you seen to care about fairness so much.
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The second I mess with the contrast or brightness it turned the images into a nuclear fallout looking mess, so nope there.
I sometimes think our PC cousins greatly exaggerate the average setup us consolers are using. The couch a dozen meters from an not new TV and using that TV's speaker to play is very much a real thing. Using an adapter to get the three color plugs to meet up with the HDMI cable is the most advanced tech in there, and that was a gift.
In my head I imagine some PCrs perched three inches away from one or two monitors with a mouse set to half a trillion dpi and filters showing scratch marks & red stains visible from Mars and listening with a headset costing more than a car payment.
The average player is prolly somewhere in the middle! 🤪😂🤣
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1 Monitor, my mouse has average dpi and my keyboard is more bright than my filters will ever be.
I know the struggle with the colored cables though😅
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What? No fancy gaming chair giving you twenty more frames? 😂🤣
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