Idea for Disincentivizing Tunneling & Incentivizing Anti-Tunnelling

cool idea honestly. The penalty need to be 10% minimum to make any difference tho. The haste changes on both ends are unnecessary. This would definitely make some killers "play fair". Most these anti tunnel system suggestions go into convoluted route of making unhook survivors invincible but this one you propose make perfect sense.

I would like see this kind of thing to become perk. But nice ideas overall.

It's a bit like what Grim Embrace was trying to achieve. Although the reward was a bit meagre, there's no reason for other perks to follow in a similar vein for high rewards for spreading the hooks. So having some reward for playing in such a way should be rewarded.

The only thing I'd say is punishing a player for doing their role isn't a fair idea, so disincentivising a playstyle with substantial boosts for the other players will only ever end in resentment and people leaving. Rewarding is the way to go.

The disincentive to tunneling does literally nothing here. Even with a 10% bonus to many actions, the lack of an entire survivor cuts efficiency by far, far more than this bonus.

The main problem with tunneling has nothing to do with repair or action speed, it's about action economy. With 4 survivors, you should have one on hook, one in chase, and one going for unhook, if you're pressuring correctly. That leaves one survivor on gens.

If you tunnel one out, this removes the survivor on gens and leaves no gen progress being completed, since the roles of 'hooked', 'chased' and 'going for save' are literally mandatory for survivors.

Tunneling one survivor out can mean the difference between *any* gen progress, and *no* gen progress, which is why it's so efficient. And it's also why this solution wouldn't change a single thing about tunneling.

Excellent, overall, suggestion! Some tweakage to the penalties and numbers, for sure

Absolutely the convo that needs to be happening/ heard amongst the community/ Devs.

To really incentivize going for that 4th Survivor, the effort required/reward needs to be huge. Either debuff the Survivor(Killer instinct reveal, exposed, windows or pallets get destroyed or blocked every 3 vaults etc), or have a high payoff like undoing 1 completed gen.

Like wise, if someone gets tunneled out before all 4 survivors are hooked at least once, the survivors gets 1 completed gen for free or the Killer gets debuffed (Aura is revealed to Survivors for some time/debuff to actions like attack animation/power cooldown/breaking speed/stun duration etc)

The reward from spreading hooks and punishment for tunneling one Survivor out first needs to be substantial or people will just ignore it and push past the minor incentives or restrictions.

People have been arguing that Killers should be properly rewarded for not tunneling apart from just getting a hookstate lol while others have called for Killers to be severely punished for tunneling.

How about both? Implementing a substantial incentive and damaging punishment would give Killer players double the reason to not tunnel and be properly rewarded for spreading hooks

I absolutely agree that metas are a bain on fun, so completely agree with you. I love the idea of incentivising and you have a good idea there.

So, here is a counter suggestion, instead of buffing the survivors if the killer tunnels,

• how about making gen repairs slower if the killer dont tunnel ? - i see repair speeds as the main cause for tunneling and i think this would be an effictive way to make the killer not tunnel.
• Lets say that the generators take +10 c/s longer to repair for each survivor hooked that have not been hooked before. (as with your example, numbers are just ment as an example)

This is why I think these sort of ideas should become perks. But, they need to be strong, meta perks in order to affect gameplay in a significant way and act as deterrents to tunnelling.

For example;

1. Survivor Perk: For each survivor eliminated, you and any survivors within 4m of you, gain a 15% increase to repair speeds. Almost like a gradual form of Sole Survivor, with a bit of Prove Thyself in there too.
2. Killer perk: Hooking all survivors once then slows repairs by 20%, and deactivates once a survivor is eliminated. That's almost as good as a Pentimento, it still rewards the killer for performance (scoring 4 hooks) but also rewards fair play (hooking unique survivors) and is self-limiting (deactivates once the killer is 'winning').

And really, any strong killer perks that A. gain power via hooks and B. lose power via sacrifices, would have this effect.

With enough of these sorts of things in the game, it eventually becomes a coin flip as to whether or not tunnelling is even worth it. Survivor might have DS, OTR, DH, or they might award their team mates faster repairs, or eliminating them early might cost you your own perks, etc. Too many downsides, potential or certain, known or unknown, building upon each other. So it's not just active perks that affect your chases direct like DS/OTR/DH, but all these additional factors too.

Disagree. Tunneling’s an issue; BHVR knows it’s an issue, and one they inevitably will address.

While Devs have maintained a “strat only” stance on Tunneling since DBD released, they’ve recently acknowledged the necessary times in-match to apply the technique. There are absolutely methods for disincentivizing the blatant abuse of inimically offensive Tunneling, and within the next 2 years we’ll see these tactics put into play, in-game, while still upholding the integrity of the timeliness of Tunneling. I’m excited and intrigued to see how they’ll do it!