I really feel bad for devs sometimes

You are not wrong. Trying to keep this community happy must be insufferable. But after that crap they pulled with the player cards, my sympathy well has dried up for now.

I very much agree. Although, I do understand, that not everyone is happy waiting another 6 months for XYZ change and see a bunch of different things announced that they don't prioritise themself.

I agree that they are doing amazing this year and that the communication has become so much better and I really hope they continue doing this.

But I also think people are allowed to not be happy with the road map. All the changes shown are great, but it’s still frustrating that we’ve been asking for YEARS for Freddy and Myers changes and the last things we’ve heard are they’ve been pushed back and they still haven’t even got an idea for what they want.

What they are doing is great and I understand they can only work on so much at a time, but it does feel bad that by the end of this roadmap it will have been over a year since we were told Freddy changes were “on the radar” and we probably aren’t even closer to seeing them then we were back then.

It probably wouldn’t have been so bad if they hadn’t nerfed Freddy this update, and I think that’s why so many Freddy fans are complaining, but them nerfing the only fun and skilful thing about him and then showing us that he won’t receive any compensation for over 6 months just seems like they have forgotten about Freddy.

I'm a newbie of only a couple years, but instead of looking at like it took them 6 years to do this or that, why not relish in the fact that they're still bringing new content. They are still listening to the community sometimes lol, and if takes another year or two to perfect who cares because we're all still gonna be here playing this**** because for all it's problems it's still pretty awesome and unrivaled.

As a community if youask for transparency then you have to accept things aren't going to be perfect for everybody. As for Freddy and Myers yes they both need crazy help but do you want that help to be rushed or carefully thought out.

Give em time before you get the torches and pitch forks out. Yeah the games been out 6 years but were clearly not getting a dbd2. Some gaming communities been waiting ten or twenty years for their games to be remade or a sequel. As long as they're willing to put out content and give us a voice in the production of something that many of you have poured the last 6 years of you lives into. I'm not saying they're perfect or need to be praised but they are at least giving a little bit of damn about the game. As a community "DO BETTER"

Very good comment! I want to root for the developers and tell them to keep doing their good work, because they really did a lot this past year ... but then they come along and nerf Freddy, of all things in the game. Really, this is so out of the loop and tone deaf, that its impossible to wrap my head around. Its stuff like this why the community seems to be so reluctant to give DBD the "labor of love" steam award, and why it will go time and time to Deep Rock Galactic, even though I WANT to root for DBD. Stuff like this is unbelievable frustrating.

I can somewhat understand the situation they are in: they are constantly forced to come up with new killers, new perks, new licenses, work on new stuff, and any idea they could use to improve poor, old Freddy is probably an idea that could be developed into a propper new original killer. Its a loos/loos situation. BUT, DBD being the place where all the big names in horror mingle and rub shoulders, BHVR have a sort of responsibility to handle big names like Myers or Freddy right, this are some of the very biggest of horror icons, and yet they are so under developed and showing their age; honest relicts of a long past game that has moved on and left them in the dust.

A full rework would be nice, but in the mean time, why not try some small numbers changes that even guys like me can come up in 5mins? Give Freddy both, pools of blood and fake pallets and let him switch between the two. This shouldn't be too difficult, but would improve his fun and viability a lot.

And Myers, either let the survivors slowly regenerate stalk juice or transfer any unused stalk juice to the remaining survivors when someone gets killed. I know that its part of "Myers tactics" to not kill off an unstalked survivor, but it sometimes happens, and it leaves Myers with absolute no compensation or comeback, if that happens. I have stalked survivors completely dry during a chase and needed just one small sliver to tier up, yet couldn't do so, and stuff like this is super frustrating. A killer without a power is a sad thing and the changes I whipped up right now are pretty save and only involve minimal changes. Why not throw Myers and Freddy a little bone after all this time?

People want accurate information, the issue is that game development is as simple as that, soon can mean months fixing other issues before getting around to implementing a change, soon can me it will come next week or so, live services games come with a lot of positive and negatives and it's just apart of it.

The reality of the situation is that most people have no experience with game development, they dont know what goes on behind the scenes, and thus have not appreciation for the process and work that goes into it, they only care for the end result, heck I even use to be the same way until I got involved in game development when helping my brother who is a software developer.

I wish people were more patient, and I wish people were nicer to the developers.

I very much agree with this.

I feel like modern gamers are very entitled, like most customers for anything are. They spend their money once, sometimes buying a game on a discount event for £15, and then they suddenly think their opinions are very important and should be listened to, and the developers suddenly owe them something.

I see people constantly complain about content /changes they want not being available/added when they want them, they complain about things being released in a manner they don't like, they complain about not being given information that they have no right to know, and they even complain about free updates and free events not being big enough or good enough.

The reality is, everything we ask for costs money, and none of us are important enough or special enough to be given that out if the kindness of developers hearts. The developers don't owe us anything, and can quite happily pack up shop, shut down the servers tomorrow, take our money and leave. Everything the developer does is to continue to fund their bankroll, their method of doing that just happens to align with us being happy with the game and willing to continue spend our money, and that is as far as the importance of our opinions extend. Ofc the devs are also human, so they also will take pride in people liking their game, but when all is said and done the game being profitable is what is important.

Customers however always think we are right, but the reality is we are often very much not. We are often misinformed, loud, entitled and ignorant idiots who only care about ourselves and what immediately affects us, without a single thought for the grander scale or how it effects others.

I'm dying for a Myers rework but as someone who also works on games I get it - it's just not ready to talk about in the next 6 months. The main thing people need to get in their head is just because something changes maybe for the better maybe for the worse doesn't mean it's the final change that particular thing is getting.

Pretty much agree with your sentiment - "Why X not mentioned"

Because it's not ready - This current communication we have is great and it should be what they do for the time being. I don't think they could communicate better if they tried. It's just not possible. They also take the time to answer stuff that isn't in the standard Q&A on the forums which not a whole lot of other studios do. You could cherry pick some examples but it's just not something many people working on games can always do because plans can change quick.