Gen Speeds are SUPER FAST.

I've been using Overzealous + Inner Strength + Counterforce with a map (red twine and odd stamp add ons) and I've been having really good games and yeah, gens are actually getting done. It's likely an effect of the recent MMR changes, but I feel like I save time or at least am using it more efficiently with this build. Team mates don't have to jump off gens to heal me, I get decent gen progression (especially with hex totems), and the map means I don't waste time searching for totems and Counterforce lets me cleanse them faster. Plus I can find gens in late game much easier.

I feel like my games have been faster

I consistently get games that are done in 8 or 10 minutes

The main problem is the current gen regression meta, it's pointless to equip those perks unless you are already stomping from the very start. The current meta doesn't slow down the game at all, on the contrary, it makes the games more one-sided.

Survivors who have a bad start have the impression that it's impossible to finish an gen, but killers who take too long getting their downs will get no value from them. This makes weak chase killers even weaker.

I mean, why you got score event for damaging generator then if gens are not objectives for killers?

Nah, I basically only play Freddy.

If I were to mix up, it would be from Freddy to Hag, I suppose.

Hag doesn't play like Freddy. She's fun, but the skillset you've learned doesn't really transfer. Maybe try Clown... just a suggestion. He's a 115% killer like Freddy who's power can also be used to shut down loops on the go.

You're missing the point... I'm not advising you to swap to another Killer you've played alot. Any killer you've spent time on has its own MMR established. Killers you HAVEN'T tried yet...don't. Their baseline MMR is going to assume you're a little better than a complete newbie.

Ah, now I get it!

Though I don't think there is a killer I haven't tried yet that I am interested in.

What platform do you play on? It's easier to show rather than just chat on the forums.

I'll keep this in mind, and if anyone sparks my interest I will try.

If your goal is just to kill people, getting 4 slugs after the survivors finished all the gens in record time and everyone dying on first hook is the same as 4 ppl dying after 12 hooks and 0 gens getting done.

If your goal is for emblems, gens matter. It's more important to chase the guy on a gen than the guy on a dull totem. It's good to pick who to chase rather than going after the first thing you see and insisting you'll just end your chase super fast and get around to that other guy in time.

I know how to pressure survivors. But the comment "jUsT PResSurE gEnS" has persisted for years. It does not work that way. There is no easy way to slow the game. The only way to stall is to either play for a 3 gen, which is getting nerfed (good thing but still) or play like normal. That however requires you to play against the survivors and if they aren't bad (or at least do the bare minimum) you are in a tough spot.

Gens don't slow down just because you walk around the map. They don't slow down much even when you chase a survivor. 3 survivors still easily outpace you. Hell, one survivor on gens almost outpaces you, if the others are at least somewhat capable.

Now to your suggestions:

This is impossible to answer because on one hand, every survivor might fall for different mind games around different loops and on the other hand, you don't get to mind game anyway when the survivor pre drops and makes distance, which is a very popular play style.

Doesn't matter for most pallets because there are only very few secluded loops. Most connect into at least 2 more on either side. On the ones, that do matter; of course. That is one of the first things you learn as a killer.

Again, if the survivor pre drops and maintains distance, it doesn't matter at all, which pallets are weak or strong (as long as they aren't Ormond table level of pallets). Most pallets, you need to break anyway. Even if you can get a hit around a loop in 10 seconds, that is still too much time. It's better to break the pallet after you get the hit / down and then move on, so nobody else can use it. Otherwise you will never create dead zones, which overall doesn't help you speed up chases and puts you in a losing position.

Easy. 90% of them are no brainers and not situational at all. You always know, if you want to break them or not. That is pretty easy to know. The exception are the 2 breakable walls on the second floor of Dead Dawg's main building that open an actual infinite. That can happen to very inexperienced killers. But only once. Because they will remember that.

Pre drop + Shift + W is quite hard to zone. There are no shortcuts for a straight line, as long as you don't sudddenly use a different field to build the room upon, which I'm pretty sure would be considered cheating. 😜 I mean, you'd literally teleport, if you were to use a finite field.

Apart from that, it's one of the first things you need to learn as a killer, so chances are most of us know how to do that. Maybe not the Nurse only players but the rest of us need to follow the rules of this game.

Again, something you need to learn when you start out playing. Otherwise, you'll have trouble catching anyone.

Yes. Definitely. I always do that. Because 10.8 metres only take take 18 seconds for me to catch up. No big deal and you definitely don't get across the entire map. Come on, this is basic killer knowledge. It's as if you were asking, if survivors stand still until the killer gets the first on them.

Finally, a valid question. I cannot speak for everyone but I try to improve in chase but I also know that there are things you do not counter with skill. Shift + W and pre drops cannot be countered by mind games or a triple spinning backflip over the main building as much as I'd like that. You just run after them until you finally catch up, which often takes too long for me to commit to the chase.

So I end up switching targets a lot and try to apply pressure until something has to give. It works for the most part but when the gens are done in less than 5 minutes, then you don't have much of a chance to win by hooks. Even if you are the most cracked killer in the world, getting 12 hooks in 5 minutes is not realistic.

It is true though, that some people (on both sides) will always find a perk, killer, addon, item, map or whatever else to blame their own mistakes on, which greatly holds them back.

I get that. But most of these things are so basic that you can assume a killer will do that in their sleep.

The problem is that many players know the basics, but have no clue about any of the intricacies of the killer's power. For example, it's not hard to play Bubba, walk up to a survivor and hit them with the chainsaw in a dead zone. But actually playing around loops takes a lot more practice than that. You'll need to account for hitboxes, know the timing of the charges, mind game and run loop right all at the same time. Something else that I've seen of in many players is the understanding of the game's 1v4 aspect. You can be pretty terrible in chase as a survivor and still win. Just as you can sometimes lose 3 gens for nothing and still come back. This is also something that I noticed with Otzdarva. He is not always the best with each killer in the 1v1 (only natural when you don't focus on a single killer) but his 1v4 is on point and allows him to come back when it looks like he should lose.

You'd also be surprised by the amount of survivors that dodge a Hillbilly's chainsaw but then stun him in his recovery. Mind boggling. You waste a pallet and give him a faster recovery.

The actual point of this thread was a discussion about gen speeds and the overall pace of the game. Gen speeds are not the issue per se. But the relatively unsafe killer meta (slowdown only works when you get hooks) and the current survivor meta (no defensive perks, pure efficiency) at the same time lead to match times that are overall way too short for my liking. You feel that especially when survivors play a bit safe. They don't need to loop. Pre dropping will do the job just fine. At the same time you have many killers, that tunnel by default because it works. It's more efficient than going for many hooks and there is nothing to stop them. Nobody runs DS or OTR these days. Both of these play styles allow one side to speed up the game drastically, which then forces the other to follow suit.

The ideal meta would be a mix of efficiency and slow down / second chance / chase perks for both sides.