Is no-heal meta problematic?

Sweating gens injured

Pre-MFT nerf, I think a very good argument could have been made that staying injured, against most Killers at least, was far too strong. Now, not so much. It's still very much risk vs. reward, but without MFT, the risk is much more present.

Mixed bag. Survivors will glue themselves to gens injured but at the same time that's a VERY risky thing to do, atleast while we're killer as that means quicker downs. Basically if they don't bother to heal, it's going to be a quick game one way or another. It's not a problem per say but it can be predictable and dull.

If I understand the topic, you're asking if the current meta is an overall fun design, not whether the way people are playing it is good strategy or not.

Generally, yes. While I don't mind the the occasional 'long' game (15 to 20 minutes), generally I find the 7 to 10 minutes games much more enjoyable. Healing isn't totally worthless (though totems are usually not worth it, and forget about chests) and I feel that the rush mentality more fits the action thriller theme the game has kind of evolved into.

It's by no means perfect. Back in the healing meta, I felt that as survivors if we had a CoH we still might have a chance after a tunnel, now if someone gets tunneled its a race to get the remaining gens done immediately (better be down to 1 or 2 left). As a killer, if the survivors bring four green toolboxes its kind of ridiculous.

Overall I'd like the games to take about the length they have now, though giving survivors a reason to do things other than gens would be nice.

It's really not a great strat for survivors if you take advantage of it on killer. Especially early to mid game. If you put someone on hook and multiple survivors are injured, you're forcing a reset on their part before they can save. That's even more game delay than you usually get from a hook, and you can interrupt it if you have tracking or good game sense. And if they don't reset, you have one hit chases and people saving while injured. That should be a winnable game for the killer.

I think a lot of times killers are mistaking a "trouble hitting survivors/lack of game sense" problem for a "no heal meta" problem.

"Problematic" is an understatement, my friend. This meta is extremely bad for the game.

Just like I've said on another thread, survivors don't leave gens because everything else they can do (healing, totems, chases) has suffered with unnecessary changes. To counter that, killers stack slowdown after slowdown.

And in the end, no one has fun.

Nobody is happy with anything, gee

Might as well survivors die in 1 hit

I prefer this instead:

• Whole team could have free and endless 20sec healing due to one perk in a team
• 2-4 incrediably fast healing for bringing one item. So fast that u literally could reset one health state in the chase by predroping few pallets.
• Current meta motivates you to work in a team, thinking not only about your butt and encourages it much better than before. I love it.

Because healing is resource and resources shouldn't be endless and super good at the same time without any downside.

When i read "healing is nErFeD tO tHe GrOuNd" I know this person is either a hypocrite or terribly bad at the game. Because:

• If things above look fair to you, don't even start talking about balance in the game.
• People hate UW so much that they use Calm Spirit. If healing in such a bad spot, why there is no a single healing perk in top-15? I know why: because people were so much spoiled by introducing original COH, that literally forgot how they had healing before. Every match had a Botany before Mikaela's chapter. Children got the candy, it was taken away from them, and now they think they've lost something.
• Should I even mention that almost every survivor healing perk is many times better than any killer perk in the same category? And devs are about to nerf Mangled i guess, lmao
• Altruistic healing WAY MORE rewarded than before. I use my medkit on teammate in 70% of cases and it saves us so much time. Especially useful when killer comes back to hook to tunnel. Also CoH still wining some of my games, i don't care how loud some people crying that it's bad.

So no, i'm glad we have what we have. Only thing i hate about this meta is braindead m1 injured into 4 Adrenalins. It's the same level of lameness as 4 aura Nurse on Midwich.

I think people are misunderstanding the stay injured strat. There are times when staying injured can be powerful/the best play. Like when you are about to finish an important gen and want to avoid Pop or Pain res hitting it. Or its the last gen and you want to setup an Adrenaline play.

But the crowd that refuses to heal no matter the context or that legit believe healing is weak are just playing poorly or mad that healing is actually balanced now. Killers that feel the need to stack 4 slow down are also playing poorly.

The counter to these types of survivors is playing a killer with good chase or using good stealth/terror radius perks to get easy quick downs. Or punishing the injured survivors by pressuring hooks. Good luck getting a proper hook rescue while injured against a killer with lethality.

The issue here is that low tier killers struggle to get fast downs and keep up with efficient survivors. Against a basic m1 killer you can get away with not healing. But strong killers have the tools to handle it.

Also Botany and We'll make it are still amazing perks.