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This wouldn't make much of a difference in the current gameplay. The passive slowdown is not a huge issue on the 3 gen, survivors should be able to get back to the gens pretty quickly as the killer still has to patrol the other gens.

For the perk ideas, that would kill way too much of the killer's ability to get some type of pressure. Last gen complaints are the opposite side of killer complaints: killers complain that the first gens pop way too fast, while survivors that the last gen is way too slow. At the outliers both statements have some truth to them, but as general game design its not an issue, things should go well for the survivors early and tilt over the course of the game. The last gen should be difficult (not borderline impossible, which is what it was with chess merchant and the old Overbrine, but difficult).

If, and its a big if as they've already been weakened quite a bit, the gen perks where going to decrease in values, it should be based on survivors left in the trial. The might mean survivors still have a chance in a 3 v 1 against a 3 gen.

So if the survivors fail to do their objective, punish the killer and make it easier to do the objective for the survivors?

If the 3 gen lasts for an extended period of time, it should just consider that the survivors have lost and kick in an endgame collapse where they must finish the last gen before the timer ends.

Whatever they are doing about 3gen's, is already done and will be implemented next month in the PTB. They already left a hint about it having something to do with the kicks and only affecting games forced into that playstyle and situations, not natural and regular games (just like the anti-camping mechanic).

As extreme as his wording is, there is a kernel of truth to his statement;

If 3-genning, even if by the Survivors's mistake (repairing safe edge-map gens and leaving a middle cluster) and not by the Killer, is made impossible then it is akin to punishing Killers for Survivors's mistake. To some extent it would become desirable since Killers would be limited during the last gen so there is no point in risking early deaths by doing risky gens before the end.

I believe map design and gen spawn are the answer and not some mechanic that will finish off the gen perks and make life very hard for setup Killers and slow Killers (Trapper and Hag in particular are just dead from that).

Side-note: The dreadful basekit Unbreakable PTB was scrapped never to return (probably the first time Killers & Survivors united in their dislike of something), PTB doesn't set anything in stone. If the solution is poison for the game it will get repelled.

The maps are already getting ready for that anti 3-gen mechanic to be implemented regardless of what it is and how it will work. Have you not seen 3 gens literally 10 steps away from each other in Garden of Joy now? ARP can literally spawn 5 gens in one side now. All reworked maps are (rightfully) being tweaked in size to make it easier for killers to find survivors, chase and so on. Now that the size of the maps is being reduced, gens are logically going to be closer to each other, so the 3 gen strat is insanely strong with little to no effort.

It's absolutely fair now that they will tweak how 3 gens will work from now on, especially to not repeat history with future killers that could cause the issues Knight and Skull Merchant caused even though they are no the only ones who excell at this strat, perks are the main problem over any killer power, but this will also make future perks more flexible in design since they won't make games literally impossible to progress. Hit and run and 3genning are playtyles that go hand by hand, and is too rewarding for how easy it is, now it's time to change to another meta with the anti 3-gen mechanic, future mangled and sloppy nerfs, STBFL nerfs and maps being adjusted to make them easier for killers to navigate on them. I thought the whole point of MFT being nerfed also is so killers would chase more now, well... Now it's time to train that!

I'm just saying, if the survivors 3 gunned themselves and can't break it, the match is over. Instead of a deadlock for an hour, the match should be forced to a close to everyone can move on to the next match. The survivors were unable to complete all the gens in a timely manner.

Yes I have seen gens close to each other. That's why as a survivor, I always immediately run to the center area and begin focusing on those. I disregard edge gens every time. It's not that difficult to break a 3 gen early. The only killer I've ever had an issue with doing this strat against was original skull merchant. It's up to survivors to prevent endgame 3 gens. The killer can't chase everyone at once. Even if they camp it, the moment the killer chases someone off of a center gen, another survivor should be following up with repairs while the killer is chasing off the other.

Yes, the game will be unplayable for every killer but Nurse and Blight just like it was going to be when they introduced the anti-face camp mechanic, and when they introduced base kit bit, and when… Yes yes yes, we have heard that so many times yet here we are. Yes only now we will see slugging and tunneling, never seen those before either. These are the average games already on my MMR at least, so I will not notice anything different. If you are so disappointed in the (undisclosed) changes to combat 3 gens then blame those who play killer to watch paint drying after kicking a gen for the 20th time in 1 minute and it being neutralised as a problem for the current state of the game and the future since it will make the design of perks, maps and killer powers very limited. Fighting the problem at its source will allow the creation of new perks, maps and killer powers more flexible. If this was a thing when Old Skull Merchant released she would have never been reworked, and that (+ Old Eruption meta) probably enlightened them to realise something needs to be done so it won’t happen ever again in the future, which is very smart and a good decision for game health.

Nope, 3 gen is a problem caused by poor survivor planning and killers preemptively picking one out. Nerfing the killer one without buffing the poor survivor play / planning is the proper move. This is just a blanket buff for survivors

I'm cautiously optimistic considering how decent the anti-facecamp ended up being in regards to not interrupting normal gameplay. However, one thing that does worry me is just how dependent many m1 killers are on being able to protect a 3 gen due to a lack of mobility to get around the map quicker. For example, if I'm playing Xeno, I don't feel like I need to try to protect a 3 gen - I can branch out since I can get around the map fine. However, on someone like Ghost Face or Myers, running off away from the 3 gen is practically a death sentence for your match. That being said, my biggest concern is that their 3 gen "solution" will make weak killers even weaker while not really affecting the stronger killers or killers with mobility - which is something BHVR has a terrible habit of doing (such as MFT).

This would be a mistake. Gen patrolling is the cleanest play style that is left in the game right now. Nerfs to Gen control simply encourages tunneling and camping or using just S tier killers because can pressure enough to not need to patrol gens as tightly. Gen control is vital killer play.....nerfing it would be like nerfing lockers for survivors. A unnecessary nerf.