Would 5sec Decisive Strike really help with tunneling?

Or just have up to 8 bodyblocks as it was before :)

Make other strategies rewarding, anti-tunnel perks working only in tunnel situations and buff them. Punishing tunnel without giving anything in return is road to nowhere, as it's only available way to win against good survivors for now.

I have already revealed my opinion on this topic here.

I preferred the suggestion of a 3.5s stun (to account for 1s to drop), and preventing the killer from using their power for 7s.

Just because Decisive Strike against Blight, Wesker and Nurse is not equal to Decisive Strike vs.Trapper, Pig and Myers.

Edit: However no, DS can't stop tunneling, what DS does is give the tunneled player a chance to fight back, and a bit more time to try and do something in the game rather than just getting crushed out of the game.

The heavier the killer gets punished, the more they do it.

There is still no alternative to killing a survivor early. It's the strongest slowdown in the game. Until that doesn't change, tunneling remains the go - to for many players.

There needs to be a worthwhile alternative in combination with a punishment. And I don't think adding seconds to a licensed perk is the right idea here.

Not really because people only brought it for a free escape at endgame.

Thing is though, that if tunnelling becomes slower, for example by making anti-tunnel perks effective, it might end up -not- being the most effective playstyle.

Better that than tunnel, tbh.

It wouldn't fix tunneling at all tbh- Also, if I remember correctly, BHVR said in the past that if they were to ever buff the stun time for DS back up then they'd make Enduring reduce the stun time from DS as well which means a DS stun is only gonna be 2.5 seconds which is faster than the 3 second stun time it has now.

Slugging has more accessible counters than tunnelling, though, including basekit responses since survivors can pick each other up from the dying state.

It might not be the best outcome but it is still strictly better.

DS should get a small buff, but it should 100% still get disabled at the end game. End game DS makes a 4 out way too free against a lot of killers if the Survivors are a smidge coordinated and the person currently on hook has it. The killer literally doesn't have enough time to play around it.

Also... I would like to point out that every single generator related perk is essentially disabled at end game regardless of which side it's on because the gens can't be interacted with at that point. Heck... Freddie even loses his teleport during end game. So, if we're going with no perk gets disabled at end game, a LOT of perks are going to have to... I don't know... get a secondary effect at end game?

It would help reduce the frequency of tunneling, I am not sure if the reduction would be of any significance. Decisive strike has already enjoyed a 5 sec long stun in the past, and tunneling was still prevalent back then.

Also, I believe that the developers were interested in changing the balancing of the game so to have the player base treat all the available perks as their own niche perks, thereby increasing the diversity of builds that players would encounter in every match. They may not want to buff a perk like decisive strike, a perk which has enjoyed the position of being a part of the meta perks for quite some time, and risk proliferating its usage again.

I keep seeing people treat tunneling as an issue to be fixed in its entirety, instead of a valid strategy, validated by the current win/loss system which is kill and escape based, as scummy as it may seem for many people, some players have no regards for community ordained rules, i.e. the survivor or even the killer rule book for that matter. If a killer wants to focus on a select survivor for the sake of getting a kill, then they will do that, similarly, if a survivor wants to focus exclusively on gens so to escape, then they will do that, the current system rewards such behaviors.

The game needs to start compensating killers more for every new interaction that is had per survivor, and then judge how well a player did in said interaction and reward them accordingly, and stop punishing them so severely for not getting enough kills per match, then the community would have to change its idea of what it means to win in this game for both the killer and the survivor side, and have the reward system in the game actually be in alignment with this new viewpoint. If the reward system is not in alignment with this new idea of what it means to win in this game, then the community is simply deluding itself into a perspective which the current reward system is antagonistic towards.

I remember that some members of the community characterized threads such a these, ones that focused on a change in perk(s) or addon(s), as threads which focused on treating the symptoms of a larger problem within the game.

Unfortunately, I think that it is unlikely that the developers will adopt a reward system which is performance based, as kills and escapes are a core element of this game, and are the determining factor of a win/loss. Some people believe that this system made more sense in dbd’s earlier days, when it was not so competitive, but now that it has become a hyper competitive game, people believe that adopting a performance based reward system would make more sense. For example, reward a player which kept the killer busy for a good while, and was altruistic and even sacrificed so that the rest of the team could perform other tasks like finishing generators, or even doing side objectives as the new system would reward survivors more for their over all performance, and reward less for, and even punish a player for not doing enough activities in a match, and yes, I would count being hooked and sacrificed as activities which should be rewarded.

Thankfully the developers have shown an interest in adding more game modes into the game, so perhaps they can now release a mode which is dedicated to the competitive scene. Assuming that the game brings about such a mode, I would expect the problem then be to have competitive players treat the casual game mode as if it were competitive, and seeing how the members of this community like to treat each other, I would not be surprised if it were to happen fairly quickly. Maybe even risk having the competitive game mode be dead on arrival.

So I believe that a change in a few perks will not bring about a significant and lasting change in the tactics used by players within the game. We have seen this play out when the developers dared touch the previous established meta build, a build which enjoyed such a status for quite a while mind you, the tactics used by player’s remained more or less the same, gen rush for survivors and tunneling for killers. It’s just that, now that there is an increase in the diversity of perks used by the survivors, the killer players are overwhelmed and so they double down on tunneling so that they may be rewarded by the current system by getting kills early, as the survivors will rightfully be focusing on gen rushing because, again, the current system rewards such behavior.

Tunneling isn't balance, it is a strategy. But that strategy is frowned upon, that is why there must a perk to fight against it.

You can win without tunneling, that is a fact. Of course, no one will blame you for tunneling a survivor who ran directly towards you, but you don't necessarily have to take someone out as soon as possible.

Id like to see those stats

4s is the buff because 5s was only ever made for ENDURING reducing stun time implying that 3s is plenty and 4s is already excessive and 5s is more so

Except the game proves otherwise. 3 seconds is not enough, but 5 seconds got the job done.

5s got the job done because it left no room for expression or requirement of player skill for it because with 5s you were half way across the map even if you didn't run perfectly. 3s requires people to go down in a good spot to make full use of which many of them who need it aren't good enough to do. 4s is a safe middle ground since it gives the bad players more wiggle room but doesn't give the good players a massive buff.

But DS was the primary anti-tunnel tool, and its current state isn't doing anything. The amount of tunneling recently is unreasonable, something has to be done about.

Reverting DS is important because many killers didn't want to eat the stun. That helps a lot.

sounds like someone can't make use out of a 3s stun and free escape

Sounds like it's a dumb idea to bring a perk that has a very solid chance of never firing, which doesn't even do solid work when it does fire.

It would help tremendously as it lessens tunneling viability a lot so lot of killers would stop using it and those who continue to tunnel would get somewhat punished.

Except that it could make it meta again, effectively forcing survivors to run DS every game and meaning killers have to assume it's in play at all times. Which is the problem old DS had.

One perk, and a licensed perk at that, shouldn't have that effect. We need a basekit solution to tunneling, not a bandaid perk.