Chucky | The Good Guy Feedback

You folks did a great job on chucky. Alien as well.

Chuckie is overpowered, as a survivor and minor killer (I own alien, onryo, etc.) - he has the strength of multiple killers with little downside.

1. He is the size of a Oompa Loompa, and his red stain is impossible to see when his stealth ability is active, but when he goes into his "scamper" mode, it's removed.
2. He gets 3rd person FOV, he should have a 1st person FOV, just like alien crawling. If chuckie gets the benefit of being hidden in a loop for mindgames, then survivor has to be given a counterplay option.
3. He has essentially Weskers charge that can be zig-zagged - it's already bad enough that he can close the distance so quickly but add in a short cooldown, walk under pallets or fly over windows. The cooldown needs to be increased because he closes the gap instantly even if you successfully dodge.
4. Chuckie also benefits from the best stealth plays with his global incognito. His laughter audio doesn't help survivors, he's already within 8m or charge lunge range by the time that even triggers.

tldr; chuckie has the strength of every killers focus e.g. wesker and ghostface, but on steroids. He 1000% needs a nerf or give survivors counterplay measures.

If you're not going to nerf him, bring back standard boon healing, iron will 100% and dead hard in any wound state. See how the killers like that.

I think dropping the power time to 14 seconds but making the cooldown start after S-n-D is self-defeating. As it stands right now, if you go for a decently-long S-n-D, the time for that and the swing cooldown animation to play out is already 4-5 seconds, so unless you're only using, like, a fifth of a second of S-n-D the cooldown out of an attack is already effectively 15-ish seconds. So it just ends up doing nothing to help S-n-D's cooldown and only buffs using H-H for M1 mindgames.

Also, this is just a personal thing but I really enjoy being able to speed up my cooldown by using Scamper mid-dish and extending the time I'm in it. That particular form of agency over your power's restrictions/cooldown is a fun thing that very few killers get to play around with.

He’s mostly fine as is and personally I love him for what he is. He is a unique killer unlike any other and it’s very clear that a lot of work and effort was put into making him and overcoming some of the challenges to make him work in DBD like his unprecedented small size.

If I was going to change him at all maybe slightly nerf Scamper just a tiny bit more but only while it’s outside of Slice and Dice, during Slice and Dice it is fine. I also feel like the Rat Poison addon takes away too much mindgame potential from survivors. To compensate, the power cooldown could be reduced by a couple of seconds (16 instead of 18).

Then he also has some lackluster addons that could be buffed. Tiny Scalpel, Hairspray & Candle, and Mirror Shards come to mind.

I know this is a controversial topic, but just to say my opinion on it: Removing the 180 flicks was the right decision and he should not get them back.

You're asking them to gather empirical data over a lengthy period of time, measuring it against match statistics and using it to decide what, if any, changes are needed. That's absolutely the right thing to do and it'll never happen.

• Cooldown is too long, makes power drill feel essential. Should be 14 - 12s depending on how much other things are changed/nerfed
• Scamper should still exist to give him something against predropping, however it's duration outside of SnD is a bit too short, should be 1.8s ish instead of 1.4s
• Scamper during SnD should be encouraged, and should be buffed to be shorter at 1s-ish
• Bring back 180s, or increase the lunge angle and sensitivity for both PC and console
• QoL changes:
  • Possibly increase SnD duration to 1.3 since jump rope is still one of his most used add ons and always an undeniable good pick
  • Small Add on pass (rat poison is waaaay too strong, his purples besides razor are incredibly weak, other add ons underwhelming and should be reverted to their PTB state such as good guy box and yardstick, rework/change any that base kit changes account for)
  • Make footsteps more visible on hard to see maps, on ormond they essentially don't exist.
  • His voicelines are cool, but should happen just a tiny bit less frequently
  • Give manually exiting hidey ho mode a purpose, such as preserving the cooldown you leave it at instead of resetting it to 0

Pretty good killer design, one of my favourites. If there's one take away please look at reducing his cooldown to at least 14s.

"Scamper haters" - people having valid criticism over a massively overtuned killer

So let me run through the scenarios in which a survivor is running to a pallet and what options they have:

1) Chucky not in power, run through pallet - he stealths as you run through, turning most loops into his favor because you can't see him nor his red stain and he can just m1 you

2) Chucky not in power, prethrow pallet - chucky stealths, scampers, and you get hit anyway because he gets a dash

3) Chucky in power, run through pallet - he gets to curve and flick his m1, hitting you anyway

4) Chucky in power, prethrow pallet - he scampers and continues his dash, curves, and flicks you with m1

If Chucky is sitting on his power, he will hit you. And his power is on an extremely short cooldown to boot, so he will most likely have it up when he needs it.

I'm sorry but "just pallet stun him" and "just dodge his ability" are not counterplay. Unless you're playing on The Game, what happens when the 8 pallets available on every other map disappear and you're left with "just dodge," because "just pallet stun" isn't possible anymore? But even besides that point, having to frame perfect drop a pallet multiple times just to avoid a killer power? Yeah, no I'm sorry, no matter what way you look at it, it just isn't fair for anyone on the receiving end.

If only saying something was untrue made it so. 😂

You say survivors have plenty of options but refused to give any, which is quite telling in and of itself. Of course you can't guarantee a scamper hit when approaching from unfavorable angles, but you will only get an unfavorable angle 1 in 10 times you go for a scamper play.

Also, play it like blight? As if that's any better? So I have to hope my loop has an alcove I can hide in while the blight is trying to moonrush, hug tech, and 720 flick me all in the same rush? Or just run through the pallet and hope the game doesn't give the killer the hit anyway because the hitbox is extremely forgiving when they swing through the pallet? You can't be serious right?

Also I don't know what it is with people saying this, but "too dumb" survivors? Knowing how to counter a blight the way you're suggesting is something only higher skilled players know how to do. "Too dumb survivors", if you're following the standard bell curve when it comes to the skill distribution in this game, is 83% of all survivor players if you account for one standard deviation from average and everything to the left average. 83%. Do you think it's fair that someone can throw on a killer and 4k most of the time because 83% of the playerbase has no idea what to do? Because 83% of the playerbase doesn't want to invest 30 hours a week playing the game, watching every new "tech" guide to keep up with a killer that gets so much in his kit for free?

To a certain extent sure, survivor skill issue I will give you that. However, the majority of it simply comes down to avoiding the obvious and instead pushing an unrealistic expectation upon all survivors in order to feed someone's ego. "My character isn't broken, you all are just too dumb, and I am smarter than you." Last time we went down this road, we got 1,500 win streak blights because survivors can't do anything against him. But surely that's a survivor skill issue right?

I don't believe you were directly calling anyone in particular dumb, so you have nothing to apologize for. The reason I brought that up was simply because dumb is relative and subjective. A "dumb player" to a comp player could be any of the 99% of the playerbase below them. A "dumb player" to an average player could be someone only 40% below them, which is what I was getting at. At a certain point, the knowledge you need to counter the killer gets increasingly higher, especially bringing up blight counters, that saying "too dumb" could very well be talking about a top 5% player with 8k hours.

And sticking on the idea of subjectivity, the same goes for the line between strong and broken, as it's all up to one's personal judgement. I know a handful of players that think pain resonance is broken, but many killers would be quick to refute them. Who's right? Is anyone right? I have played Chucky multiple times, and there are very, very specific tiles that he does not thrive in, I agree. But he will eventually catch up to you, either through bloodlust, a mind game, etc, and it won't be as painful as it would be on any other m1 killer, speaking from experience.

Like I said, the line between strong and broken differs between people, and it looks like we have a different definition of that line, which is perfectly fine to have. Ultimately I just hope the devs have enough anecdotes from the forums along with their own internal data to make the right call with a buff/nerf.

That sounds really good!!!