Killing yourself on hook

This person knows what he's talking about!

Is it really that difficult? Isn't it obvious?

In a game in which two sides with opposing goals are involved, it is inevitable that they will compete. In a competition, you can try to win by hook or by crook, or you can evaluate the situation in terms of the chances of winning and then decide that there is no point in investing your time and wait for the next round with a hopefully better configuration in terms of perks, map, offerings and opponent(s).

What's more, the game is incredibly straightforward. Not only in its design and mechanics. You can even recognize your opponent's goal by their style of play. There are no surprises and that makes the game unspeakably boring.

Games are actually a tool to trigger a fundamental characteristic of human nature: we are problem solvers.

This has been proven in psychology. Give a person a tangled rope and they will try, albeit casually, to untangle it.

That's why puzzle games like "Portal" or "The Talos Principle" are always captivating.

You can play them hundreds of times and always discover something new.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work in a game like this.

In addition, it is apparently not always or often possible to combine players of the same strength with each other. And even if this happens, you can never be sure that every player is pursuing the same goals and understands the game in exactly the same way as the others.

When it comes to kill games, I don't think anyone has understood it better than the makers of "Unreal Tournament".

There are still servers online for UT2004 and UT3 despite their enormous age. Maps are still being maintained and there is still a large community of players.

And yes: you get killed there too. Many times. But you just get back in as long as the game is running. And that's the difference to DBD:

A kill in DBD is equal to an inglorious ass-kicking. This is not the case in UT, even if there is a kill counter.

For me, this is a tenable explanation as to why someone would prefer to leave the game of their own free will.

How do you suggest we adjust? Half the time, it's people who get hooked just give up immediately. They refuse to play games where they ever get hooked. The problem isn't the gameplay, the problem is the player. They want risk free easy mode games and will stomp their feet when they have any semblance of having to make any effort. That's a mentality issue, "If things don't go my way, I quit." You cant balance around that. We could make giving up on hook impossible, but then they'd just troll the whole match or just sit afk (which often happens when someone unhooks them while they were trying to give up on hook).

An interesting circumstance actually happened the other day. A survivor tried giving up on hook. Someone else rescued, and when getting unhooked, they got hit by the killer and had deep wounds. They just ran off to a corner and let themselves deep wounds bleed our. For the rest of the match, NONE of the survivors went to help them. The entire match just let the person sit there and slowly bleed out while everyone else kept pushing gens and essentially treated the match like any other match.

Well, I'm a killer main, and normally it's bully squads who give up on hook when they realize their buly antics aren't working. They want to immediately leave the game so they can go harass someone else with better luck. That's not really an issue since they are usually a 4 man, but it sucks when it's a 3 man and a solo queue gets left in the dust. I pretty much always offer that last person an all you can eat bp buffet or otherwise just hatch out. Occasionally though, the first person I down and hook simply gives up. Sucks for the rest of their team, so I usually back off on pressure if not downright give them a heal party and let them escape.

I'd rather keep the 4% as it has resulted in me escaping a Trial twice when all seemed lost near the end.

However, I'm happy for the struggle skill checks to go in the second stage. They serve no purpose whatsoever other than for killing themselves.

This is the big problem BHVR aren't tackling. It's the one way someone can get out of a game without a dc penalty, or being reported for unsportsmanlike conduct. They get rid of that struggle phase and everything becomes so much clearer.

I think a single instance when someone was giving up on your losing game is just not a strong enough argument to dismiss this issue.

I had people tell me why they disconnected / gave up (although it was kind of hard to understand them between slurs). You even see some streamers act like that.

I agree that nobody wants to play against Slog Merchant and I hate her just as much as the next guy. But when people give up just because it's one of the 31 killers they dislike you have a problem less with the game but with the players. If it was only Nurse, Blight and SM, then the other killers shouldn't see that many people give up from the get go. But they do. And it doesn't matter what perks you use as a killer. Literally anything is enough to offend someone. Hell, Huntress Lullaby is enough to get you hate.

All of these niche scenarios are not the main part of the game and they are not when most people give up. It's the normal games, where someone will suicide right off the bat, that I have an issue with. Not the ones that are over anyway. If I have 2 people dead and there's 2 gens remaining, then I couldn't care less and I think that goes for most people. The survivors played the match out until it was over, which is the only thing I'm asking for.

Because it's the game they queued up for. They know that this is part of the game and they know that it could happen to them. It's unfortunate that this situation is as bad as it is but if you don't want to play the game, then why do you queue up for it to begin with? There will always be something unfun in an online game. There is no way around it. But when you dislike the majority of it, then don't play it. It's that simple.

Frankly, I think solo queue is a nightmare partly because something like that happens frequently. In 5 games you will probably have someone that rage quits. Not at the very end but when everything is still open. This is what further reduces solo queue enjoyment.

It hasn't been only a single instance but it was one of the more memorable examples. I had everything going against me and they still gave up. The first hook you get, someone often suicides. Why? Do they have the power to look into the future and see how the match will go? I don't. The game isn't over until it's over. You can win as a killer even when 5 gens are completed and you only got 1 hook (unlikely but possible) and you can still get everyone out alive when the killer has 5 hooks at 5 gens. Or you could, if you wouldn't give up the second something doesn't go your way.

I know I only ranted about survivors on this one because it was specifically about hook suicides but killers do that too. Nobody forces you to play the game. So if you don't want to, then don't. Otherwise you know what to expect. You could end up going against something you do not particularly like.

If you cannot handle that, then you should play a different game.

Always liked that idea. There was a game were they did this, can't remember wich one and if it worked...

But i can only imagine how hard this would be to program, with MMR and still having short queue times.

Because as devs you still want them people to play the game.

Did you just say single issue after xertnon listed like 20 different reasons? Unsurprised.

Wouldn't it be a pretty simple solution to simply apply the same timeout if a survivor kills himself on the hook. It's not that hard to detect that he tries to unhook thrice and then misses two skillchecks. It's also not hard to figure out if he runs straight into the killers face when being rescued after trying to off himself.

Just let them have a timeout. Once they notice they have to wait 15 minutes to play a match they will not be so willing to throw the game instantly