New Killer meta is coming and all Survivors will hate it

That fine with me. You still need to wait on it. I'll just run surge and still hit that gen.

U could already block all the gens every hook with dead man & UW on a fast movement killer. blocking gens for a long time every down just give me eruption flashbacks.

I never use slowdown perks so I dont know how it work.

Grim Embrace gonna block all Gens for 12sec for each fresh hook? Then 40sec for the 4th fresh hook?

And DMS increase the timer of blocking all Gens?

I feel like it's going to create a meta on the survivor side were nothing gets done but gens until they are blocked. Heals can be put off until the gens are blocked. Maybe we'll see a few more boons / inner strength / built to last so people have something to do while they wait for gens to unblock.

I'm thinking about toolboxes and built to last. Blow through the toolbox on the gen, then the survivor just recharges the toolbox while waiting for them to unblock.

DMS has its own timer that starts from the moment the killer hooks a survivor. If you release a gen 29 seconds later, its only going to be blocked for 1 second.

So if I understand the math it goes: Killer hooks, DMS timer starts. Killer moves 16 m away from hook (approximately 4 seconds, blight/teleporters being quicker), Grim Embrace triggers. All gens are now blocked for 12 seconds, those gens which a survivor had been working on are now blocked for ~26 seconds (the time remaining in DMS). So DMS is giving the killer around 14 seconds of extra blocking on up to 3 gens, though survivors can still move to one of the gens that hadn't been worked on for when that unblocks after the 12 second grim embrace.

Being a 4th hook with grim embrace triggers for 40 seconds, DMS has no impact on that hook.

I'm not as worried about DMS as I am just the strength of grim embrace. It is a little worrisome that there is no way to play around it really: in the game right now you can let go of a gen to dodge a possible pain res, but unrealistic to waste the time guessing when a killer will move away from the hook.

This version of Grim Embrace is basically old Eruption without the killer even needing to be anywhere near the hook. On its own this perk is gonna be nuts, with DMS its gonna make people with a peanut allergy start to flare up

Isn't this just going to be a repeat of the Pain Res and DMS combo, though? With the only difference being that it's even easier to counter on the survivor side?

Like, here's how it works, to my understanding: The killer gets a hook, and walks sixteen metres away. At that point, Grim Embrace kicks in, blocking all generators for 12 seconds. If a survivor is working on a generator at this point, they're kicked off it, activating Dead Man's Switch on that generator and blocking it for... however long is left on DMS, depending on killer speed.

Surely, if you as a survivor just let go of a generator as soon as someone's hooked, that means only Grim Embrace is activating and DMS doesn't get to combo with it? It's the same as the Pain Res and DMS combo, except that you have a much more generous window to let go of the generator.

Grim Embrace may or may not be an unhealthy perk, but I am not personally concerned about pairing it with DMS. I honestly think it might not even be a worthwhile combination to begin with, considering how easily survivors could avoid it.

BHVR unnecessarily nerfs STBFL by weakening it's chase power and synergy with weaker Killers while at the same time making tunnelling/camping more appealing while completely ignoring the obsession (unless the obsession blocks a doorway or smt then Killers will just completely ignore one player which is boring).

Announces Sloppy Butcher and Mangled nerfs, things that were mostly used by weaker Killers for a bit of pressure with M1.

Puts a hard-limit on gen-regression, making many perks simply no longer worth using and punishing regular Killers for ending up in a 3-gen that the Survivors created.

As a result, Killer variety and perk viability/variety goes down and slowdown methods change to the next thing.

If anybody is surprised then they shouldn't be. The most powerful Killers don't care about those changes because they never needed regression or STBFL because they have short chases and/or enough speed to interrupt repairs efficiently. All this does is make life more miserable for weaker/M1 Killers and SoloQ.

Hopefully the future makes themm reconsider many of those changes.

If they nerf grim+dms they should also nerf f2p and buckle up

It might be annoying, but I don't know how much impact it'll have until it goes live.

You can play around the DMS side of things by letting go of the gen just before the hook. Which you're probably already doing anyways to counter PR+DMS combo.

And 12 seconds is a bit annoying, but it's nowhere near old Eruption levels.

I suppose dbd is just introducing the concept of "half time" that is known from sports. fourth person goes to hook? Time for the obsession to find a locker. - And time for everyone else to go explore edgemap while crouched. Maybe some cheeky people decide to take a lil nap in basement?

Though, personally, I probs gonna take that combo as a cue to go find a killer, practise some chase and go next sooner rather than later - preferrably without even touching a gen. - But ifr someone else finds the killer first I suppose I will until they get downed.

I see your block and raise you another block! 😂

They don’t stack; it runs concurrently. So a survivor who gets kicked off a Gen by grim embrace will have there Gen blocked for 30 seconds by DMS not 42

A basically guaranteed DMS proc on every generator currently being worked on at once 4 times a game is pretty overtuned. I don't think anybody is complaining about Grim Embrace by itself, it's just how it interacts with Dead Man's Switch.

Just because something requires two perk slots doesn't mean it's automatically fair either. Old DS + UB was two perk slots but it was still massively overtuned.

It's guaranteed until people figure out to let go of the generator before someone gets hooked.

And the 4th time doesn't even count because Grim Embrace would block it for 40 seconds which is longer than DMS. It is a synergy that can be played around and works 3 times, at most.