Is our community as bad as some people make it out to be?
This is reffering to the community as a whole not just the forums which usually is fine. Personally I think some games like Rainbow Six Seige are way worse than Dead by Daylight. I play both games ( I am on console so don't have in end game chat for Dead By Daylight). I enjoy Seige but am not very good at it but am respectful sadly almost everyone else is not. I have recieved some horrible messages from people because I try new character and builds. This does not happen nearly as bad in Dead By Daylight. Our community are not at all perfect but there are worse out there.
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I think it's only like that because of how restricted toxicity is. With no voice chat and a really bad chat filter, it's hard to actually be toxic. Sure, you can hold the game hostage (BHVR could just remove collisions after a crow appears but oh well), at the price of boredom - hence why it is rare. However, you can teabag, hit on hook, slug until people bleed out, purposefully tunnel someone out based on the survivor they play/for their charm, etc. That's very common to witness. Therefore, if the community had the tools necessary to take it to a new level, they probably would.
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Honestly it’s not as bad as overwatch
as someone who was a doomfist main in the ow1 days holy crap the toxicity was insane
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No it's not. A lot of people are entitled with how you should play the game certain ways but not really toxic.
Most of the time when someone brings up actual DBD toxicity it's from Twitter. Twitter is a cesspool of awful and should not be counted as part of the community.
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its not even slightly close to other online pvp games. I legit think the people who say "dbd is the most toxic game ive ever played" have never played another online game ever
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It's been the worst online experience I've had, barring CoD in like 2012. I've been a part of OW, OW2, For Honor, Siege, TF2, CoD etc etc
The amount of racism, death threats, entitlement, attempting to make other people miserable for the sole purpose of inflicting misery and offline harrassment is absurd.
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Laughs in Mei main, receiving toxicity from both teammates and enemies :)
Overwatch and other pvp games out there are way worse than DBD in regards to toxicity. It is not even close.
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The main issue this community has is the "Us Versus Them" mentality.
Still one of the worst communities I've been a part of in a while and has definitely changed my approach to how I interact with some people in games. The only reason the forums are manageable is because BHVR is actually active here.
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I agree with Dustin, the thing that makes DBD so unique against other communities, is that we are pretty much the only game I can immediately think of outside free-for-alls where all the toxicity is mainly directed towards your opponent.
I think this is mainly due to the fact that killers are solo, so any toxicity they would have in the first place will be towards the only players that exist in that match (the other side). Concurrently, this means by default most survivors will just direct their frustration towards the Killer rather than any teammates.
Not saying survivors can't be toxic towards each other, but with no voice chat or text chat during the match, it is not as bad as other team-based games like Siege, or Overwatch. In those games, very few people rarely get angry at the enemy, they get toxic with their team. DBD is almost 100% the opposite.
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I will say that DBD is the only game I have ever played where people will leave comments on my steam profile. And I have played a lot of games with "toxic" playerbases.
This is also the only game I have ever played where I have lost friendships with people just because they didn't like that I took them seriously after facing them as killer/survivor (I had tried playing nice/friendly when I faced that friend group but it got upsetting after having so many 1-kills because I was being nice). These were friends I had made from other games even.
No other game I have ever played has had me lose friends because of what happened when I faced them and they lost.
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Not really IMO. Sure toxicity exists but it exists in other games as well. This is nothing special to me. I was around back in the day when people were screaming the N word and constantly cussing in CoD pre-match lobbies.
LoL, R6S, Valorant, OW, CoD, and the list goes on. So many games are far worse. Try any game that even has a competitive factor to it. Not only do you have competitive players who get frustrated, but then add in other types of players like memers or trolls or people who just want to get a rise out of somebody & ruin their session.
Been playing DbD since 2017 and can easily say its not even close to some other gaming communities. A lot of people are just very easily offended today. This is heavily subjective though since we all have different experiences.
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My thoughts on that are this:
It's amazing how so many people whether killer mains or survivor mains think anything that helps their side is needed and if you don't agree you're wrong and just need to learn to play better. Anything that hurts their side was unfair and if you don't agree you're wrong and just want an easy win.
Don't get me wrong. Not everyone does that. There are so many on these forums though whom NEVER think they just need to learn to play better or think their side just wants an easy win, but somehow the other side is always guilty of those things
In other words the most ridiculous thing on this forum is the cognitive dissonance that is always on display. I will admit I find it entertaining though.
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I think DBD would be worse if it had voice chat, absolutely. Only reason Siege comes above it.
That said, I find the ones more dedicated to it, while sometimes very vocal and abrasive, often times are just very dedicated to a game they enjoy and want to see it at it's best potential. Even if we disagree on points, I've had some great discussions about balance and understanding what may or may not work.
That said, I'm on day 2 of being harassed and spammed with friend requests on Steam to try and insult me in DMs for saying survivors still aren't doing tapes in my Sadako matches, so there's that too.
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At least for me I've experienced worse in other spaces, but the way some people delve as many miles down the us vs them and extreme victim complex pit as they do, you get some uniquely rotten mindsets in DBD at times.
I'm not saying a single thing about any "objective truth" about what community is The Worst, as all I know is my own experience and what I've seen.
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Overwatch 1 was like second or even tied with Siege for me as the most or one of the most toxic games ever. I have not played Overwatch 2 because I have heard it is an absolutely dreadful game so I'm not sure if it still is but this is what I mean there is worse. I just picked Siege because that is the other game I am playing at the moment.
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Have you heard of Siege. I am not that good at it but like it not sure why. The community does nothing but bring you down. I have met very few nice people on there. Most of the negetive messages I get range from Uninstall the game, I ate your dog to nobody loves you and you should off yourself. Saying it to a friend who knows you are joking is one thing but you never know what someone is going through. I think Dead By Daylight is awful but not the worst simply because the forums is very strict.
Sounds about right but the DMs don't happen to me on DBD
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No. People in this game are just incredibly soft to the point where it's ridiculous. People act like some random doofus teabagging them at the gate is a warcrime.
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I think the community can have absolutely unhinged takes and it's definitely the most entitled community but in terms of toxicity DBD is not close to the worst.
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It's just the entitlement that makes this community toxic.
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Hardly. I'd describe the community as fragile and self centered. It's up to you how you handle glowing words on a screen. Is there alot of tribalism and mob mentality in this community? Yes. But in the end we all choose to be here and we can do better.
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Imo I feel most of this games toxicity comes from youtubers and streamers and people wanna play like them
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I don't think this has to be the rudest game ever in order for the rudeness to be unacceptable. IMO, it's a problem that DBD has so many toxic players and it's a problem that PvP games have that in general.
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Not so much toxic as they are egotistical, overconfident and bad at the same time. A very weird combo. Ofc that's not always the case but a generalization. That combo in itself leads to some toxicity and reminds me of being silver in league a decade ago.
The key to getting better at a game is self awareness and the want to learn which is something people lack in this game and a nicer way to put what I said earlier.
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Personally from my own experience with the game I say DBD community is just as bad as any other online game community. The thing I hate the most from this community is its full of sore winners and they love to rub it in your face when you having a bad time. I'm a killer main so I can only talk from a killer pov but I'm sure there killers out there who are sore winners to thier survivors as well but I honestly haven't met a single nice survivor I can remember in over my 1000 hours of playing. It's either I get the survivors who are quite and move to the next (my favorite honestly) or o get the loud elitist survivors who love to rub their victory in my face. It's like salt in a Open wound. If I'm having a hard time as a killer (especially one I'm trying to learn) for some reason I get these types of survivors alot. They know you having a miserable time and do everything they can do make it worse. Just not fun when I'm know I'm losing so badly and I open the gates since I just want out but all I get for the 2mins is survivors dancing around me, flashlight blinding me over and over and over or teabagging me at the exit gate. Then when all that done I get the "gg ez baby killer" in the chat.
It gotten so bad that I just afk in basement after opening the gate to start the end game collapse and closing the end game chat box. It helped a little but not all much. In fact after my wrost night of killer I decided to take a indefinite break from DBD. I honestly haven't played the game in the last two months and I don't know when I'm coming back. I was going to try Sadoko but after the post PTB nerfs I decided against it. Maybe I play doing the Lights Out thing.
Either way I still think this community is just as bad as overwatch, cod, CS, LoL or any other online game community out there. Sure you have few nice ppl but they are drown out by a lot more toxic and sore winners. Once again this is all my own experience. Others may have experienced this game differently.
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Out of the millions of players who have played, most I'd say are fine. A majority have the ability to simply move on, even of the trial was horrendous. A fair few even are complimentary, or at least offer a "ggwp" to - at least how I interpret it - help differentiate the game from real life and show there's politeness and manners.
Where part of the problem lies is the advertisement of negative attitudes. People use the "toxic" phrase in their names as a warped badge of honour to make themselves feel meaningful, or act in a way to gain notoriety, but had those people not been given their 5 minutes in the sun - thanks to some content creators - they may be far less common. Inadequacy inspires hate.
Sure, you'll get some shitbags in games, but in the vast majority of trials I've had people either say nothing or are polite, with a few even being complimentary.
Thinking of this, for the next 100 games or so I may make a note of any responses I get and post what the results are from 100 games in terms of endgame reaction. I'll include any in-game friendly or poor behaviours. May take some time, but I'll plop it up eventually.
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The community is so bad because the gameplay loop is toxic and unhealthy, no pun intended
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I've never seen a game where people relish making the other team's game miserable quite so much.
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I cant think of a single large creator who goes out of their way to be toxic to some random guy in pubs
And if toxicity to you is tunneling or spinning a killer, I dont know what to tell you.
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No it's just that many regards "playing to win" as toxic which is strange in a SBMMR game where you should play to win. So community is competitive with as in all games a few toxic players and cheaters. It's a normal community no worse than other games.
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Yes its bad, hopefully we get full PvE mode one day
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It's probably the second most toxic game I've played. Granted I haven't played much of the other toxic heavy games like league or rainbow six.
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It may not be the worst but damn if it isn't up in the top 10. Like TheSingularity said, you can meet some of the nicest and worst people here and the worst here make up for the difference.
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I think I can agree with that PvP games with much smaller amounts of players usually are very toxic. As @ChaosWam said if DBD had voice chat it would be even worse on par or worse than games like Seige. Particularly as it could be a 4 vs 1 the killer could have an absolutly horrible time.
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I think the good outweighs the bad.
We have content creators and streamers. People that have learned, broke down and taught everything there is to know about the game through videos, wiki, written guides etc. There's people that want to be really good at the game, they push the balance to its limits. Considering the game doesn't have ranked matchmaking mode like overwatch or fortnite does. It's fortunate that there's people that want to be good at the game anyways. There's people that keep up with all the information about the game and share it with everyone else. There's artists who make stuff for the game, even skins like the clown and yun-jin one we have in the rift. The game has a dedicated and devoted community and i don't think this should be taken for granted because there's games that don't have these things.
I think the players in game are fine for the most part. There is some instances of people acting very horribly, sending vile messages, threats. But i believe this is minority of players. Most people do not send messages to other players, they are just playing the game.
Overall i think the community is good because it improves the understanding and enjoyment of the game. As a dbd player, the online prescence of the community is useful.
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I've been playing online video games for many, many years and the DBD community is exactly the same as any other large gaming community.
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It's not as bad as people make it out to be, it's actually worse.
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I think it may be worse than most people say. I've blocked people sending ######### messages just to have them make a brand new Xbox account to keep messaging. I've had people on a cross-platform log into their Xbox account just to send some BS message. You play "fair" and you get hate and get laughed at if you lose. You play to win and you get hate and chastised for not playing the "right" way. There are toxic behaviors in the game that could be removed, like slugging a team and forcing them to bleed out, but the devs won't do anything about. They don't seem to punish false reporting so people maintain a sense of entitlement when they do it and nothing happens. If you're in console and show the devs people harassing you in messages or voice they won't do anything about it because it's not their platform even though it's because of their game.
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I can be. Especially from the survivor side from my experience. I've had the nicest dbd players ever and then some of the most abhorrent grossest degenerates ive ever had the displeasure of playing with. But sadly thats the nature of a pvp game, some people live and laugh at making others upset and dbd allows you to do just that relatively easily.
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This community is the best i've ever seen a live game service community be. Rarely have I had toxic chats, and people are really nice post endgame. Don't get discouraged because of a few rotten apples.
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I find that it differs a lot on which servers you play.
EU servers are full of toxic people, who will go through the trouble of adding you on steam just to insult you, your family and so on, some will even get their friends in on it and mass spam you. I've also been doxxed, targeted by a player (turned out to be a cheater).
When I play on NA servers it's like playing on cruise-control, people are chill and know that it's JUST a game.
You'll be fine if you play on Epic Games or Console, there is no chat, and you don't have a profile, so people can't harass you.
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I don't know about EGS but on Console you literally do have a profile and it's even easier to harrass and knock people offline.
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Yes, it's an absolutely horrific community.
Not so long ago I went against a ttv who ran boil over, breakdown, sabo, etc. When I had no hooks to hook anyone as they were all broken I had no choice but to slug.
They all DC'd and the streamer gave my username out to her 100+ viewers. bhvr won't budge on bringing anon mode to Xbox which we DESPERATELY need.
The community is vile, entitled, and dramatic
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This is one of the most volatile communities I've ever seen. A very noticeable of the community treats you like a bad guy simply for trying to win (gen rushing, tunneling, camping etc). And when you bring actual concerns they're just like "well you're saying this because you can't win 100% of the time". One of the most short sighted communities I've seen tbh.
Also the fact that I've legit seen cheaters only enable cheats just to say in EGC "Maybe if you didn't tunnel and slug"
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That is horrible bad sport streamers and content creators are the worst. They really do need to add anon mode to console to prevent this. I actually had my first encounter on xbox chat today and I think I have changed my mind. Our community can be just as bad as games like Seige just it doesn't have voice chat if it did this community would be responisble for multiple people's decline in mental health. Thankfully people on the forums are more respectful for the most part are respectful.
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MOBAs are far worse than DbD.
DbD mostly just has a lot of entitlement and whining. Criticism is fine, but the amount of aimless crying is a bit much.
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If there is any game out there with a worse playerbase then DBD's, this game should be illegal.
LoL feels in comparison with DBD like a little pony farm, surrounded by flushy clouds and ever smiling all-time happy people.
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DBD's community isn't that toxic all things considered. Just really selfish, entitled and loves whining. But toxic? It's not hard to find worse. There have been a quite a few really ugly moments with this community, but those were just moments. In some places, those moments would just be business as usual.
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Worst gaming community i know ( i play league of legends btw)
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I seem to be very lucky. I play on PS4 and have yet to encounter any kind of negativity/toxicity. I’ve only had a few after game messages and always ‘gg’ or ‘ty’. I do try to avoid behaviour that can trigger players during trials and quietly go from game to game.
some of the stories on this thread are horrendous and I hope to continue to avoid such scenarios!
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Used to play on playstation for a few years. Never experienced any toxicity worse than t-bagging. However, a few months ago I moved to xbox and it has started getting worse since I made this post.
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In terms of what I consider toxicity, I see as much toxicity as I see in a day of dbd in a single game of cod
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