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Give me a Reason or stop the Legion hate
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Oh, okay, sorry for the mistake
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then tell all the people who dont seem to know these counters. What is it?
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Split up. Stay hidden. Rush 4 gens simultaneously. Stay away from other survivors. Stun killer while they use their power. Wait until you finish a gen to go unhook someone who has been caught.
If I play Legion, no matter how powerful of a build I use, there's nothing I can do to beat a team like this. Because Legion is not capable of beating a team like this.
My prediction is that you won't accept those as counters. But I won't make assumptions about you. We'll see.
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Split up as solo players who can’t see where others are. Just hide against a killer who can see where you are once he gets a free hit 4head. Camp pallets against a killer who will go out of their way to respect them. Just sit on gens so Legion can come smack you and force you to mend over and over. Amazing interactive gameplay.
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Bond exists, the Legion can't see you if you're outside their TR, if they respect pallets they're just wasting their power (which will stun them), don't sit on gens if the killer is coming for you (like any other killer).
Any more complaints?
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How should these be counters? Most of these is standard gameplay and nothin in particular to counter his special abilities. So you dont have any arguments about countering his abilities. Just what i thought.
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Since when a survivor should be able to counter and beat a killer alone ?
Only peoples wanting to keep their bully simulator would think that.
Are you one of those ?
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Survivors are invisible to you? Sounds like a bug. If I'm working on a gen and another survivor walks up to me and tries to work on the same gen, I can usually see them.
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So you see no difference between someone who can actually hold the killer so people can get generators done and someone who just sits at pallets and drops them even when the killer respects the ######### out of them and wastes everything on the map right away, or falls for moonwalking/any sort of mindgame. But then again you're the person who called it "exploiting" right? So lmao I can just disregard anything you have to say.
Doesn't stop people who are nearby doing something else entirely or who are sitting on nearby gens.
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If someone come and takes your gen, go do another one. It's irritating, but not hard.
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That literally has nothing to do with what I just answered you with.
Jesus christ people are right forum killers really are something else lol
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Why not neither?
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If a survivor isn't getting too close to you, why do you care about them sitting on a gen? Legion is unique in that one player can't counter them. The whole team has to be working as one unit. Doing different gens. If you get a crappy team, that's not Legion's fault.
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Just work together as solo players with no communication. :)
Also hope you realize you're saying Legion basically deserves to down people for free because you shouldn't be able to juke or escape them alone. Which is bullshit considering you can do that with every other killer, including Nurse and Freddy, who has free wallhacks outside of his TR.
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You make that sound like it's difficult. It's not. Do your part and expect others to do theirs.
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Well thanks for proving to me that you guys can't actually come up with a counter I guess
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We do. You just don't accept them as being counters. Because the only things you are capable of seeing as counters have to be during a chase. Not before or after. There are ways to avoid a chase. Against a killer that dominates the chase, that is the counter, whether you like it or not.
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Yup. Not a single thing these peeps have said are counters. No siree bob.
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Looping IS an actual exploit of the fact that killer accelleration has still not been fixed, you would, if the game was working properly, never be able to get more than 1 loop on a mindgameless pallet.
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Because just don't get found is not a ######### counter against a killer who gets to see you once he gets a free hit on someone.
@MhhBurgers Clearly the devs don't agree. :) Run Enduring/Spirit Fury if you keep getting looped that hard.
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If only there was some way to split up and avoid being in his FF terror radius before a hit even occurs.
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He doesn't see you, he sees your location every few seconds, and only if you're in his TR. Besides, I thought all Legions tunneled the first survivor they hit. At least that's what survivors complain about all the time, so this shouldn't be an issue.
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This guy gets it.
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They do both. Unless you also found Hostage Doc games incredibly fun and interactive experiences pre-Legion release.
Anyway Legion mains will always rush to defend this #########, so I'm just gonna leave Scott's videos here for anyone looking. Ciao
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Plus even if you DO get hit by his FF after he finds you from hitting another survivor, he can only pursue and down one of you at a time. It doesn't help him much.
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I've never heard survivors complaining about Legions switching targets before. How odd.
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Nice goalpost moving.
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Not really, just expressing surprise that survivors apparently complain about Legions both chasing a single survivor and switching targets. Tell me this: if the Legion is switching targets, then why do you need counterplay? Surely after they hit you once, they'll switch again, since it is their playstyle.
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There's two Legion playstyles and they're both #########. Because Legion is a ######### terribly designed killer. To play as and to play against.
Either you cheese/exploit and/or tunnel people down to actually confirm a down.
Or you just hit them over and over, leading to everyone's favourite activity, holding M1 every other second. Just like getting stuck in a three gen against Hostage Doc who isn't actually trying to actively kill you, but just to stall the game as long as ######### possible. It is the complete opposite of how well designed/decent Spirit and Clown were.
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So how come a Legion who switches targets has no counterplay if they literally leave you alone, thereby giving you another chance at stealth?
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It's not. You were the one who mentioned it and he responded.
I have seen both of those videos and actually agreed with them at first. Eventually I learned more about Legion and formed my own more informed position. More importantly, fun is a matter of opinion, and a large portion of the community, including myself, does have fun with Legion.
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If you don't like going down in a predetermined amount of time maybe don't play a 1v4 assymetric game. Most of the killer roster is considered ######### because they cannot down survivors in a reasonable amount of time unless the survivors royally screw up.
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Don't be cheeky, you know that is not on Legions who just immediately run off to another target, the complaint about counterplay is DIRECTLY about chases and trying to lose them. It's a boring as ######### experience for both sides no matter the outcome. I don't see people defend what garbage shape Freddy was left in, so someone explain why people desperately do this with Legion?
@MhhBurgers So basically what you're saying is that you deserve a down just because you do, despite no other killer being allowed to do that. Most of the killer roster is definitely not considered ######### beyond killers like Freddy or LF who are actively handicapped, or Pig who relies on RNG if she's ignoring traps. And saying it's only on survivors who mess up, is essentially saying all killer players are bad lol. It is not 2016 anymore, cmon.
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Which is evidence that the chase is too prominent in DbD. The chase should not be so important thay it determines solely how "fun" or "good" a killer is.
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non-Toptier Killers MATHEMATICALLY cannot win (by win I mean 3k) against coordinated survivors who are not total potatoes and play to escape instead of play to pip because they either lack pressure or map presence.
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So you are surprised that against good players you don't get an automatic win and have to work for it...? Of course a coordinated team is going to do well. Also you seem to be confused. I'm not saying I want killers to be weak. I WANT them to be good. I have no problems with killers like Billy or Spirit or Hag or Huntress who are all considered top-tier. I have been waiting for Freddy to be buffed for over a year now because he's my favourite movie Slasher and it's a disgrace the state he's in. I am saying Legion is not a healthy addition to the game and definitely not an answer to that problem.
Yeah you're right, nothing is more fun to me when I play killer than going against survivors who just UE everywhere as P3 Claudette on maps like Yamaoka or Swamp. Chasing is a huge portion of the game, the whole game premise is based on Slasher Movie Chase Sequences lol
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My favorite part of killer is catching a survivor by surprise and jump-scaring them. And a good team is impossible to beat as Legion unless they make a huge mistake and get themselves caught.
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Winning imo is not 3k, it is pipping. You can pip without 3king with legion pretty decently because you can slow the game down get lots of chases and hits, the challenge with legion is hooking all 4 and sacrificing survivors because hooking takes a lot of time with Legion that could be used applying pressure to gens.
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Look, I wouldn’t care if it was a normal killer. But legion is uninteractable. He hits me and instead of chasing me like every other killer in the game, he leaves. Woooooow. I’m so happy I get absolutely nothing out of being chased off a gen because he can still grab me. With thanatophobia, talk about a wet dream for this killer, 98% of the time, a good legion can get everyone injured in just a few short minutes. So the game is fing slow all the damn time. You’d be insane not to run it and I’m sure it’s with a powerful build. But I just want a quick game or two after the day is done, not a 40 minute game of back n forth with one killer that doesn’t do much besides do a whole bunch of hit and runs before the 1 V 1 at the end where it’s just me and the legion. It’s just bad design. I’d much rather face A Myers who starts in tier 3 and it’s endless and spawn next to him than play 1 game with a battle legion with a mori for the millionth time. And that’s the hard truth.
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Legion is mind-numbing. I hate Legion matches. You spend 20+ minutes mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing.
FFS.
His matches are typically long and boring. I'd rather die and go play a killer whose is actually fun to play against, not just one long drawn out match of double healing every. single. time. he runs by. 😴
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You heal in a game against legion? Why? Just mend and do a gen
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It's nearing 2 years and I'm still waiting for Legion's deletion.
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If the killer continues to run off, I do typically immediately mend and continue my gen. Depends on the circumstance. I find it hella ######### annoying that every time he hits you, however, you have to essentially heal twice to get back to full health. Its so ######### annoying.
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I'm mostly a Legion main and its funny watching people complain. Legion is pretty weak. Every killer can get a down with their power. Legion can't. His strengths is injuring people and going from there. And you get pretty punished for doing certain things. Missing your attack gives you a 4-5 second stun. Hitting a survivor that's already been hit (with FF) does the same. Yes, Legion is very strong in chases. He can vault pallets to get a hit. It's kinda easy to escape if played right. You can either force him to hit you again with FF or after they've canceled FF, gain distance. If everyone is injured Legion becomes a M1 killer.
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