Are we getting more info on the Finisher Mori anytime soon?

The Finisher Mori I feel like is something thats gonna suddenly drop on us like they did with the Endgame Collapse.

Before we had it there were I believe 2 PTB's which experimented with closing the hatch. One that was literally just, closing the hatch. Nothing else happened. The 2nd one had the added effect of instantly powering the gates. Then there was radio silence for roughly a year, and then we all of a sudden got a trailer for the Endgame Collapse.

Hopefully it's just scrapped. It was a bad idea and making moris basekit doesn't make them more exciting anyway. IMO part of what makes moris cool is that they don't happen in most games and making them more common would take that away. They wouldn't be interesting anymore.

That's just my opinion though.

I think this sentiment also comes from a time where people would run Iri Mori’s and just tunnel people off first hook and kill them instantly.

Mori’s used to be stupidly OP, same with keys.

Not necessarily. Fatalities are just cool to do especially on different characters and maps. Experienced players stop doing them because they've seen it before and they want to speed things up.

I get that but Mori’s also waste time, can’t use pop or certain perks after which helps the survivor.

It doesn't, but neither does yours. We have to offer our own perspectives, and they might not be true for everyone else out there, but that is what makes a debate. Otherwise, this discussion becomes pointless.

I absolutely do not see Moris as a form of BM, they are simply a more elaborate manner of eliminating a survivor from the trial. The same goes for Pyramid Head and Onryo, who can execute such kills at base-kit. Or Myers, who has two add-ons for it. We can also mention Rancor or Devour Hope.

Are all of those toxic? I really do not think so.

Negative opinions towards Moris are often associated only with balance. Together with keys, they were considered overpowered. But that is no longer the case.

And even back then, not everyone disliked them. I've even played with several survivors who had usernames requesting Moris.

I like the idea of a Cypress Mori being basekit at the very least. Still leaves the killer with a choice of sparing the last or killing them, too.

At this point I doubt the finisher mori will return, which is a good thing because moris are fine the way they work.

I honestly think it wasn't a bad concept. They just needed some sort of scaling recovery speed for survivors depending on how many are on the ground, and maybe a Kill / Mercy trigger for killers that wanted to spare the last survivor.

Most new mechanics BHVR tries to implement into the game tend to suck because they never plan some backup mechanics to prevent bad actors on both sides, and are very prone to one-and-done update stuff and not add community feedback despite insisting they'll be "monitoring the new feature in the upcoming months and act accordingly".

Besides, I really liked the transition to the mori.

Hopefully they've dropped it and that's why we haven't heard anything

Yeah, calling them toxic is an...interesting take, but everyone has their own perspective. Some of them are just fun (Ghostface's being the most notable) and can lead to some hilarious interactions. And even if the killer were being toxic, I'd rather watch a mori than watch them smack me on hook and/or nod at the camera like a dumb goober.

I mean, if you're being mori'd, you're pretty much dead anyway, so it might as well have some flair.

Once moris were limited to use only after the second hook, they lost most of their utility. Once DS was nerfed, they lost even more (occasionally survs would try to use their DS to offensively in the exit gates, and just mori-ing them instead of attempting the pickup was great, *chef's kiss* level stuff.).

At this point, the only actual use they have is against hook denial/flashlight bully squads, where just getting a downed surv to a hook can be a battle.

I agree with just making the cypress mori basekit if they want to force it to be part of the game. Or attach a BP bonus to successfully using a mori (like +100% Brutality or something).

Another idea I've had is making it so the killer can mori any survivor inside the exit gate, regardless of hook state. Or (and I know this would be problematic so I'm only half serious), allow tombstone style (i.e. regardless of hook or heath state) moris inside the gate. That would make for some crazy endgames, and really curtail exit gate teabagging.

As far as the Finisher Mori, I just thought it was too weird and disjointed from the flow of the game, and I didn't care for it.

So does mine. Ever since I first started playing DBD, all the way back in 2018, I've met countless players who like the Mori animations. Especially as they became increasingly more elaborate throughout the years. Oni's mori, for instance, is vastly different from Wraith's.

I don't follow your line of thought here.

Doing Totems is optional, not required to win. Is that also BM? Using keys? Opening Chests?

Something being optional definitely does not make them a form of bad manners. Keys are known as the equivalent to Moris, but using them doesn't automatically makes a player toxic. The complaints about keys had to do with balance, and it is the same for Moris.

A player can be very respectful and still want to use a Mori or a Key during a specific trial. A toxic player is easily able to play a match without using them. I've seen both scenarios since I first started playing.

If you assume the worst for everything that happens in a match, you'll see toxicity everywhere.

Even if we brought back the Finisher Mori but it only activated when 3 survivors were dead with 1 left, automatically killing the survivor on down is taking that choice out of the player's hands, and I think that's a bad idea, that's what I dislike about the idea of the Finisher Mori. Let players keep the decision to make for themselves.

Yeah your idea would work fine I think, though I think just "kill" or "spare" are necessary as options. If the killer wants the hook, they can just pick them up and hook them as normal. But I like your idea because it would speed up the end of the match.

The list of things on both sides that are by no means necessary (or even necessarily helpful) to win but can are are sometimes used to BM is a long, long one.

Of course some people use them to BM, I'd make the same (but stronger) argument about flashlights. But like flashlights, I think most people use them because they are fun. To General's point, there's a reason you see a lot more of the more cinematic moris than, say, Wraith or Trapper. They're entertaining. As I said in a previous post, I'd much rather watch a mori than be smacked on hook or bled out.

And if often leads to fun (I'll never forget how funny I found it the first time I performed a Ghostface mori and had another surv come teabag on their head as I did it).

Personally, I've never brought a mori because I thought it would rub the survs' faces in their loss. I either bring them for the entertainment value, or because I have "kill by your hand" challenge. And in the past, they did have quite a bit of actual utility. Much less so now, but the most memorable killer match I ever played (which was relatively recently), I only won because I brought a mori (it was a very good flashlight/hook denial squad, and being able to skip the pickup/hook phase at the climax of the game won it for me).

But I think part of the issue here, as it often is, is that a lot of people assume the intent of their opponent. And if the mori comes at the end of a tunneling, the mori isn't the issue, it's the tunnel.

I think they’ll eventually give survivors the basekit Unbreakable without coupling it to the finisher mori

How a game mechanic of an offering is toxic? it is just a cool cutscene which make every killer even more unique. When playing survivor I prefer to die in the hook instead of being moried, sure, but it doesn't mean I consider it something toxic. Also, considering how rare the mori offerings are because most people perfer to use BP offerings make the mories feels like a waste of resources when designing a killer, a finishin mori would make them more frequent so it doesn't feel like something wasted in every killer.

I see what you’re views on moris are but I feel as though a lot of people have a bad stigma over moris due to what they used to be with the one hook moris and even back in 2016 when you could be moried on your first down. People usually used moris if they reaaaaaallly wanted to win and it was considered “toxic”. Nowadays though, they’re whatever.

But I do usually see killer playing a tad bit sweatier when they bring in a mori.

I personally don’t like being moried because I’m numb to them and don’t care to see the animation especially when the killer was playing sweaty. It’s like dying over and over again in a Resident Evil game and you have to sit through the long killing animation. It’s cool for the first few time then you’re like “looks like I’m just gonna sit here for 30 seconds and look at this same animation I’ve seen 50 times already. Yay.“ I do definitely see what you mean with the MK comparison.

Overall I would still say moris are fine and in a much better place than they used to be but the stigma of the old moris still exist