Hatch mechanic is unhealthy for the game
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Well I have nearly 4k hours in DBD but I guess I need to play more, right?
If a killer wants a 4k, the hatch mechanic FORCES them to slug for a 4k. Personally I can't be bothered doing that when I play killer but many do bother and I cant blame them as the hatch mechanic is the reason they do this.
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First off: guys they never said remove hatch. If you want to leave hatch in and fix some of the problems (like the 2 survivor stand-off) then that'd be a step in the right direction.
Saying "it's good enough for me" crossing your arms and brushing the problems under the rug is one reason why a lot of the issues in the game don't get fixed.
The reveal/instinct/crow mechanic after 2 survivors are left and haven't progressed the objective sound like a good step imo. Just make sure there's a minimum gen% requirement because otherwise survivors will just tap a gen for 0.2 seconds and get off to reset their timer.
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Yo! This is what i always thought as a possible solution even for tunelling. To make it more strategic and not a braindead solution for killers who just want the easy way, you buff the remaining survivors, like Propnight used to do. In that way even if you are alone you can still manage to repair gens. The game stop feeling so stale if you loose a teammate at 5 gens and with the repairing buffs you still have a chance to make it.
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the hatch mechanic doesn't force you to slug for a 4k. if you came to this conclusion after 4k hours, you're literally just incorrect. you can get 4ks without slugging. if you have to slug to get 4ks, you're just not as good as you think you are. sorry. very rarely in the forums do you see objectively incorrect things because it's a bunch of subjectivity in here, but what you've said is literally objectively incorrect. if you're only getting 3ks because you feel the only way to 4k is through slugging for hatch gameplay, it is a skill issue on your part, pal.
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You're not wrong in saying its not forced upon the killer, you can get a 4K with hatch in play.
But saying it's a "skill issue" is silly imo. You have to get lucky with hatch and then get lucky with gates. Neither of those are skillful. Either you get lucky or you don't. Only certain killers are able to increase their odds with the gates.
Slugging for the 4K is also up to luck. You have to hope to find the last survivor in whatever random location they decided to hide in or that they run in for the pickup and you catch them doing it. It just maximizes your odds compared to the alternatives. It's the best gamble. There's no reason not to take it unless you personally don't like it or don't want to.
None of these situations feel great imo. On either side. Dying or losing a kill just because you got bad gate/hatch RNG sucks, having this super long drawn out endgame because the survivor(s) are excessively hiding also sucks.
Having a survivor reveal mechanic in some form in these situations would at least help with the latter.
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no, i genuinely feel if someone admits they have to slug as killer to get a 4k it's a skill issue. i don't care about people who say "oh hatch is rng reliant and not getting a 4k for my challenge kinda sucks so i'd rather slug to guarantee it" those people are just regular players and i don't mind those people.
people who spread misinformation (you HAVE to slug to get a 4k because of hatch) have a skill issue. if these people had gotten a 4k without hatch escape they would know hatch escaping or not hatch escaping as last survivor is just up to luck. in order to have the opinion that you have to slug to get a 4k, you have to have never gotten a 4k before without slugging. which, in my humble opinion, is an immense skill issue.
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No amount of skill can guarantee a 4k without some form of slugging, even if it's brief.
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Fair enough.
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LMAO "if you have to slug to get 4k's, you're just not as good as you think you are"
Yeah this will be my last response to you, as with a comment like that I can tell that I am not dealing with someone who understands the game very well.
However for my last response I would like to inform you that the hatch is part of a common game mechanic known as 'RNG' - that results in the killer has no control over the hatch spawn. However what they can do is to prevent survivors having mobility to search for the hatch and the way to achieve this is to slug them.
The fact I have to explain this shows I am wasting my time replying to you champ.
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lol. yeah this guy's definitely right. covering his ears and stopping communication because of how right he is and how wrong i am. xD
you seem like the type of person to be insecure enough to check my response anyways so i'm editing my post and quoting myself because i already went over this but you conveniently ignored it just to be childish in my replies:
"i genuinely feel if someone admits they have to slug as killer to get a 4k it's a skill issue. i don't care about people who say "oh hatch is rng reliant and not getting a 4k for my challenge kinda sucks so i'd rather slug to guarantee it" those people are just regular players and i don't mind those people.
people who spread misinformation (you HAVE to slug to get a 4k because of hatch) have a skill issue. if these people had gotten a 4k without hatch escape they would know hatch escaping or not hatch escaping as last survivor is just up to luck. in order to have the opinion that you have to slug to get a 4k, you have to have never gotten a 4k before without slugging. which, in my humble opinion, is an immense skill issue."
you are arguing against me, when i have always quite blatantly stated, "the hatch *does not force you* to slug for the 4k". if you are disagreeing with that statement, you are objectively incorrect. you can 4k without slugging. if you do not think you can, you just aren't experienced enough with the game.
i do not care about your statements about the hatch being luck reliant. i know it is. that's not what i'm arguing about. i'm not saying killers NEVER lose 4ks because of things out of their control (hatch luck). i am arguing against the belief you HAVE to slug in order to get a 4k, as that is an objectively untrue statement which only seeks to breed negative playstyles by misinforming people. slugging for the 4k is always optional. you can always get 4ks without slugging, as long as you're able to find the hatch before the survivor, or the survivor before they get to the hatch. what you and other people are perpetrating is a "boogeyman" scenario, a made up tale that is just to fearmonger people who don't know better. if you cannot help yourself but spread misinformation after 4k hours of dbd playtime, that's not necessarily a good thing.
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No amount of skill should be 'guaranteeing' anything.
If an outcome is guaranteed, the game is broken. That's precisely why survivors are giving up and hiding.
Play for the 4K normally, and if you find the hatch first you win. If you don't, play one more game, it's a 50/50.
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