I'm glad this game mode exists.

Depends on how far you go and what version is being taken into consideration.

Because you can reach a point where survivors had the DS + UB combination to stop tunneling, and more resources to use in case they were being tunneled. Meanwhile killers had BBQ as an incentive to not tunnel, plus the possibility of rendering half of a survivor's build useless.

Essentially, 2019 DBD after Plague's release. Considered by many as the most fun the game has ever been. This is taken directly from here, by the way, you can search for those threads if you would like to.

Was that enough to stop tunneling completely? No, and I think nothing will ever be. But tunneling wasn't the norm as it currently is, and I think that was something we should return to.

That tells you how many haven't got a clue about the need for tunnelling. I'm back on killer right now and I'm finally going against teams doing gens in parallel. Low score for everybody and impossible to get a kill unless I tunnel. ^_^

Thankfully, I've started with the first 3 gens popping in a 10 seconds interval. Got 2 kills in the end, the second one rage-quitting when their blocking tactic failed. (They were four Steam friends) That was pretty close though. I got him inside the gates. (Demogoron, I've assumed it was the weakest killer in this mode given the noise he makes)

Goes back to the same thing. If you go against a strong team it's the only move.

And you never know in advance what kind of team you'll get.

Interesting.

As far as I know most players consider the Old DBD to have lasted from the game's initial release until the atrocious map reworks. So, 2016 - early 2020.

But this is subjective, of course. Either way, I think 2019 DBD is a good example of how to do properly address tunneling.

No problem, my friend! I'm always happy to talk about the golden days.

That's not an easy one. On one hand, on principle, I'm against removing options for any side. (As much as I dislike seeing gens pop in parallel)

On the other, I like chases better than anything else in the game.

I believe, like many others apparently, than changing the rules to go for hooks instead of kills is a step in the right direction.

But as for the solution ... I'm drawing a blank. To be fair it's 00:01 here and I've been up since 02:00. I'm barely functioning.

Camp hook saves and find killers that circumvent vision.

That is what lights out mode is.

Adrenaline's effectiveness while strong isn't insurmountable. You endgame is actually quite stable if you've had a solid early and mid game of spreading hooks. Also you have other tools at your disposal to address potential Adrenaline plays such as slugging. The strength of your options will again depend on what killer you're playing. Stronger killers or killers with niche gimmicks that work well in the endgame will obviously have better results.

If your only concern is a total victory snowball then yes, tunneling is your best value play. I would say that playing that way typically isn't the most stable way to play because unless you're actively profile peeking to see who is most likely to be the weak link you could end up over committing to the wrong target and if you mess up your tunneling strategy it is harder to recover than if you are spreading hooks. If you're spreading hooks effectively and consistently that means you're also pressuring more of the map and map pressure is one of the big difference makers that can swing a game in your favor.

Facts. 9/10 of my survivor games in this game mode i had a tunneling killer. Most games were also legion, completely taking away the immersion and ruining the fun of the game mode

Hahaha.

Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, Mr_K.

I was there when it was written.

I have played DbD for 6 years and was really looking forward to the lights-out mode. I miss original DbD all the time and thought this would be a way to revisit that kind of play again. Unfortunately, it has not been that at all, it has just been players bringing new killers with built-in advantageous perks the OG killers did not have, then running back to every hook like a job. I really think they missed the mark by letting killers see gen auras and survivors see other survivor auras. No input would have leveled the playing field more and made tunneling more difficult. I also would have been fine with limited survivors and killers (maybe just the original 4 etc). I only saw 3 maps so limits could have been implemented. As you can see the game mode I really want is "DbD 2018".

There are so many solutions to tunneling, or different game mode changes that ill do the job for the product managers here at behavior interactive (I'm looking at you Jerome).

1. Remove notification triggers when survivor is unhooked. If there's no "notification trigger", then the killer who stepped away for a second is less likely to be "reminded" to go back.
2. Add a "reward" for spreading the hooks, some examples include... expanding the killers FOV the more range of hooks the killer gets across survivors and call it (killers resolve or killers wrath). Another example... if you hook a different survivor, introduce a base kit bonus to the next time you damage a generator, it grants X% bonus penalty, make it snowball if you have to to entice killers to spread hooks so it balances the time you've lost looking for a new survivor.
3. Create a perk or built-in ability that allows a survivor to "trade" hook phases from a survivor. Add a condition where it's only usable if base-kit BT is active (10 seconds) from a recent unhook and the tunneled survivor is within terror radius or chase. The trigger for the perk should be like "reassurance", where it's usable from a distance. Call the perk or base-kit ability "Humanities Sacrifice" or "True Altruism" OR make it an item you can use long range. That way, the killer still retains their "tunneling progress", but it allows survivors prolong their ultimate demise under "tunneled conditions".
4. Killers seem to complain about "gen rushing". How about you introduce a new game mode or modify existing game modes so that it's not solely around "repairing generator" but treat it like Friday the 13th game, where survivor must "locate items and parts" to BUILD a generator or an escape item. Some examples include, finding X# of different chests or items scattered around the map. Alter existing perks to increase the time or effort to "pick up" the item. OR if you have to reuse code for generators, make it so that survivors have to build a generator and then repair it. The kicker.... the killer cannot see the location of the building generator(s). If you're worried about killers tunnelling the generator being worked on, survivors can find more parts around the map to build another generator around the map. Make it so the killer cannot see the location of the generator. They must first find it. However, the survivors have to continue running around the map to continue to find "parts" to build another generator. This makes the game more "cat and mouse" and puts more thrill in the chase.
5. Add a timer for survivors who are getting hooked "back-to-back" and increase their chance to "unhook" themselves based on the built in timer logic. For example... (Time spent between getting unhooked + immediately being in terror radius or chase again equates to bonus +% to self-unhook).
6. Grant tunneled survivors a chance to self-unhook on 2-phase and give free invisibility like Spirits power. Use the code you have around Spirit's invisibility as the framework for survivors and call it "camouflage" and give them temporary 100% iron will. Call it "entity fair play". In return for the killer... grant them a separate incentive such as... "entity respawn"; force a random generator on the map to change locations, OR allow the killer to respawn on the map in a random location OR
7. Add a new item or perk that allows user to REMOVE A HOOK PHASE, make it only applicable to two phase hook survivors who are back-to-back downed. To balance it for killers, add a item or perk that instantly puts survivor on 2 phase hook but the conditions are based around tunneling and the survivor has to have 0 hooks.
8. Make it so that killers cannot hook the person that just got off-hook, and call it "hook sickness" but in return the entity marks the altruistic survivor or highlights them to encourage fresh chase. Create the condition around FOV and terror radius. If you go after the same recently unhooked survivor, and are immediately in chase with them within X time (I'll let you define the conditions), then it will allow you to down them, but you cannot pick them up for X seconds. This creates opportunity for another survivor to come to get them off dying state.
9. Tunneled survivors who are downed within X amount of time, cannot be picked-up to be hooked again. Call it "Killer's Fatigue", and make it so that if you down the same survivor within X seconds from a recent unhook, you cannot pick them from dying state for X amount of time (whatever you deem balanced). But, make it so it takes 2x more recovery in order to get back up and call it "Critical Injury".
10. Make it so that killers who tunnel survivors lose points and makes it extremely difficult to rank up through that method of killing.