How can Freddy have such high killrate?

5 people that are really good at Freddy are the only people playing Freddy

It's all speculation at the end of the day. Whether people talk about high, mid or low tier, the main point is high MMR is for competitive players and such, so if that is about >1%, that high stat area is pretty much irrelevant because it is abnormal compared to the reality of the vast majority of players.

It's less to do with the Killer and an awful lot more to do with who is playing that Killer.

"So any nurse that is not at high mmr is just bad/not getting 3k/4k?"

Never said that.

"The majority of nurse players are just bad?"

Never said that, but yes, the majority are bad because she is a hard killer to play.

"So then how is she the most OP killer in the game?"

Because when you CAN play her she is broken, but the majority of players can't. Just because something is hard to play doesn't mean it can't be broken. (And even then I only really find Nurse to be a big problem when she is running full slow down)

"How does this not apply to the rest of the killer roster? Why are you singling out nurse here?"

You brought up Nurse, not me. It does apply to other killers. I never said it only applied to Nurse, I only mentioned her because you did. You just can't apply the same logic to every killer.

For example: Huntress is a very good killer when you master her yet she has a relatively low kill rate as well. Is she low tier? Or is it just because she is the 2nd most played killer, only behind the most recent DLC, so she is very popular and not everyone can play her like a pro? Same with Singularity. Is he weak, or is he just to demanding play efficiently?

"Other killers can't be bad?"

Again, never said this. Yes there are other hard to play killers - for example SIngularity, Huntress, and Billy (all of which also are on the bottom end of kill rates, but not the point). Unlike those killers though, Nurse plays nothing like other killers. You can't rely on M1 hits or general killer knowledge to play her. Dredge I also think is not a great example - the only aspect of his power that is hard is his anti-loop, he has a high skill ceiling but low skill floor. He's much harder to play against than as for new players.

"not only are you applying a single parameter of "hard to play" to nurse and no one else in the killer roster, you are assuming the best of low MMR survivors and the worst of low MMR nurse players but ONLY for nurse."

Again, I never said any of this and YOU brought up Nurse and compared her to Freddy (and Pig), not me. There is WAY too much going on behind these stats to justify ANY conclusion from them. You can make theories and guesses and get a general idea of a killers balance, but without seeing the kill rates and pick rates across all MMR levels, it's really hard to make a conclusion.

TL;DR: I never said any of that. Freddy is not in anyway comparable to Nurse. One is arguably the hardest, one is a contender for the easiest in the game. There is way too many confounding factors at play that make it hard to form any conclusion with these stats. What I was originally getting at is that your theory doesn't hold up because Nurse isn't dominating at low MMR.

This is actually something I've been thinking about a lot lately. I keep seeing people saying X or Y killer that already has some form of slowdown also needs this and that to help them in chase or at the end game. Yet I find plenty of success by playing fairly easy to play killers with not so many bells and whistles just by walking up to people and smacking them.

Even as Bing-bong man all I had to do to make chases quick is uncloak as soon as I found someone and just smack them. If they do the perpetual window vaulting thing more often than not it's better to just not play their game and just uncloak. They'd frequently vault one too many times and I either get a free hit or they lose plenty of distance.

On the other hand, my kill rate plumets the moment I try mechanically complex killers and refuse to take the L every once in a while and just smack them normally instead of using my power. Yes, I understand I may find more success with better tools, but I feel like some people don't understand that sometimes the best play is to not use your power - ESPECIALLY when survivors are expecting it, as they sometimes kinda outplay themselves into your fist trying to dodge a hit that's not coming.

It baffles me. It must have something to do with his low pick rate and the nature of his power. He has a second objective and because he is played so little many may not know, that his power is pretty weak. So they rush to wake themselves up every time they fall asleep. Then there's the teleport, that to this day still confuses some survivors and of course his lunge.

It's probably also that he is mostly played by people that are pretty good. A new player will play him once, realise he's pretty weak and switch to a different killer. The people that play him have probably had so many wins in this game that they don't care anymore. I've recently played this killer a lot too and because he's pretty basic, you can use everything you've learned before to give yourself an advantage. He is a pretty good M1 killer because of his small height and he's also pretty quiet.

Apparently, the dream pallets can also confuse some survivors, which I do not understand to this day. They're pretty bad. You only get hits that you'd get any way because there's no pallet there to begin with but apparently some survivors love to run around and drop everything they find because they think it's all dream pallets. This not only lets you catch up more quickly but it also wastes a lot of resources.

The people that do know how weak Freddy is also get pretty cocky at times. I'm not kidding when I say, that Freddy probably has my highest kill rate on GoJ. The amount of survivors that stop to tbag you just to give you a free hit is mind boggling. Combine this with STBFL and you might even get the second hit right after.

Freddy is fine, stats say he's over performing.

However @GeneralV is too OP please nurf. 🤪

you my friend are the sole reason i started to play freddy again.

he was the very first killer i ever bought but i quickly put him to rest cause he wasnt that fun and sadly he had no outfits and im a sucker for cool skins. but seeing you holding frddys torch high in the forum made me go back recently and now im learning to get the best out of my favorit horror icon

I wonder if Freddy isn't actually bad just boring.

1. Power that forces people to leave loops? Check

2. Power with built in slowdown? Check

3. Power with mobility that synergizes with some of the best perks in the game? Check

It's just that none of this is that interesting to actually use. Blood puddle is just pushing a button at loops you don't have to think about, the clocks are passive and you as the killer don't interact with them and the teleport is just something you do after a hook. Freddy actually has a lot of tools but only one of them has to do with chase and it's dull to use.

I think this also has to do with most people overvaluing micro play and undervaluing macro play. Most killers seem to look at this game as a series of 1v1s rather than a 4v1 so killers with macro powers seem to get undervalued because their chase tends to be weaker and that's all most people pay attention to. But let's be honest if chase was the only thing that mattered Slinger would be S tier and he obviously isn't.

Freddy on the other hand does have a little bit of everything, antiloop, macro slowdown, and mobility. Makes me wonder if most people's understanding of the game is actually completely wrong because this happens every time a macro killer releases they get severely underestimated, Cenobite, Twins and Knight come to mind.

Very proud Freddy main

He is a meme, his power slows down the same as clowns, and yet can't be used unless the person is dreaming and only covers a specific tiny spot that is easy to avoid. He was nerfed in a way that makes it so he can only set 5 traps, so he can't setup a web of traps anymore. So his slowdown power is literally just a significantly worse version of clown there. Then there is his teleport. He can teleport once every 45 seconds to a generator with each survivor that is asleep reducing the cooldown by 15%, to a maximum of an 18 second cooldown.

Now factor in that unless he's running the iri addon. he has to land a hit on someone or wait 60 seconds before survivors fall asleep. All while playing literally without a power because he starts with a cooldown on his power, and survivors can't be affected by the snare.

I can't imagine that even if his teleport was just baseline 18 second cooldown all the time, that he was still any good as a killer.

Thanks friend <3

We all do our best for this killer, and I'm sure things will get better for him eventually.

The Fog's finest <3

No doubt ❤️

Decent antiloop. Not incredible, but good enough to put survivors in "drop pallet or get hit" situations immediately at tiles. Teleport also gives some good chase utility and can zone survivors.

Not map dependent at all. There's not really a bad Freddy map due to his mobility. Can cross any map in seconds.

Has some solid tracking when survivors are in the dream state. It's much easier to see stealthed players when they're highlighted in blue.

Semi-stealth with the lullaby is useful on every map, but very good on indoor maps.

Low-downside power. You can't mess up Freddy's power and lose a ton of distance. You don't lose a ton of distance if survivors avoid his power. You ever play Artist? You spend the entire match setting a bird, holding W, setting another bird, holding W, etc, if the survivor is any good. Miss a PH shot or Xeno tail? Survivor is halfway across the map. The environment itself won't mess with Freddy's power either. It may not have the upside of other powers, but it's extremely low risk. It's an efficiency thing. He'll never be Nurse, but he's never going to be downright inefficient.

He's probably not going to beat the best teams, but if you sweat it out, slap on NOED and whatnot, you will never do worse than a 2k

Why is Freddy deadly?

Because the 5 Freddy-Mains around the earth know what they are doing while survivors do not, because they never meet him. His pickrate is at the bottom of the world, so every time you face a Freddy, its a beginner or a Freddy-Main. There is nothing in between.

Beginner Survivors will lose whatever they do, because they dont know how to face him, cause he is barely used. Top-Players will always beat him, because his lack of abilities when survivors are awake.

Ill tell you how you win:

Use Coupe de Grace. It synergyzes extremely well with Dream Snares.

Use Dead Mans Switch, its his VIP-Perk. Fake-Teleports and the gen is blocked.

My build is: Pain Resonance, DMS, Tinkerer and Coupe de Grace.

Fake your teleports EVERY SINGLE TIME its ready, even while you are in a chase.

Do NOT run Pop, because then you need to teleport a lot and the cooldown is hilarious. When you fake, your cooldown is MUCH LOWER.

Do only Teleport if you know that there is another Survivor. If you are close in downing one, FAKE it.

Fake Teleports are MUCH BETTER in every way than teleport. Keep this in mind.

Run Red Paint Brush, his only addon worth using.

For myself, I can easily say this: I win 75% of my matches (3K/4K), I tie 10% and lose 15%. Something like that.

The biggest reason is easily the experience on him (4500 hours total, I assume 500+ hours on Freddy alone at minimum).

We will keep fighting for our Freddy. If BHVR want advices, just text us. We would be very proud if they would allow us to give some advices how we would think Freddy-Changes (and he needs them) should be without overpowering him and bring him closer to the average pickrate (which would end up in dropping in the killrate-stats, so win/win, Mr. Peanits :-P).

Others have said it, but it is indeed the low pickrate. The low pickrate indicates that only very dedicated players play with Freddy. He is licensed on top of it, so it is unlikely that new Killer players will pick him up while they are still learning the game.

Freddy being played by Veteran-players AND not played by brand-new players results in an overall high Killrate.

The same happened with Pig in other stats. She is not strong, but she has a dedicated playerbase and those people perform well with her. And the same is the case for Freddy.

(To compare - Chucky has a Killrate 5% lower than Freddy (which is huge!), but he is also the most popular Killer in the stats. So you have more players who are not performing well with him who tank the Killrate)

Is it impossible to think that Freddy is a bit underrated? I mean it does happen that popular youtubers have a killer very low on a tier list or high and suddenly everyone is agreeing. Perhaps he's not the worst or even bottom 3 killer?