Why is 4% self unhook necessary?

A genuinely good reason for it to exist - fun. That's a thing games are meant to be. 4% is 1 in 25. You arent getting one or two every match. I see people try to kobe in nearly every game im in and it almost always ends in them getting the second stage express. Its a fun mechanic that can completely 180 a game the survivors were almost certain to lose.

I hope they buff it so that each attempt stacks probability 😏

Because it's fun?

If you've ever self unhooked near to an exit gate for a very cheeky last moment escape, then you'd know that.

Fun is reason enough for something to be in a video game, no? Besides, I've probably self unhooked 20 times in well over a thousand games (and it's only actually mattered to my chance of survival on less than 5 of those occasions).

It's a bit more nuanced then that. I'd a survivor gave me a good game, some fun chases and then kobe, I still nod at them and let them off the hook, but I expect them not to unhook the others and will chase them and shake my head. Sometimes you see them plead for a certain survivor, probably their duo SWF friend, and I usually allow that unhook, too. But if they start to unhook unconditionally, then everyone is fair game.

BUT (here comes the but) 9/10 of the time it's that obnoxious survivor that t-bagged and flashy clicked you at every opportunity and really was a log between your legs the whole game, that miraculously pass their 4% chance and you can bet your ares off that I'll hunt them down and put them on the hook again.

In the end, kobe is a hope mechanic that is in the game to offer survivors at least a small chance in unsurmountable dire situations, but the chances are actually not that bad when you got a "Myers/Oni downed everyone at the exit gates" situation, that was a stellar play of the killer, and then they get shot in the leg by the 4%, that feels really awful and unearned: survivors massively misplaced, yet get off the hook, literally, by the roll of a die.

Just imagine if a killer had a 4% chance to instantly down and mori a survivor, if they got less then 3 hooks and the EGC starts. People would bemoan this lucky hope mechanic rightfully. But on the other hand, it happens so rarely that my whole match devolves around one lucky kobe, and killers are in such a good spot generally, that I actually don't mind enough.

This community is so confusing. In every other discussion, no one can come up with a single reason why the 4% mechanic exists. Now here, there's a whole list of reasons.

The other thing that confuses me is that so many people claim that the 4% mechanic is outdated, but no one can explain how. When the ranking system that was used for matchmaking was changed to a monthly grading system that has nothing to do with matchmaking, the depipping mechanic no longer made sense. That is an example of an outdated mechanic. However, nothing has changed about hooks to render the 4% mechanic outdated. The only thing that's changed is the addition of scourge hooks, and maybe some hook spawn locations, but that does not affect the 4% in any way, shape, or form.

That sounds like fun.

I'm not against the removal of the kobe. But it could see some fine tuning.

They didn't even take the easy route of pretending to care about the survivor experience that most killers do when asking for self unhooking to be removed.

I don’t really see what’s wrong with it hell when a survivor gets that last minute 4% right before the 2nd to last person dies it’s an awesome clutch

It gives someone a chance to keep playing, and killer to get second hook points. Win-win.

It's especially when teammates are the self types so focus on them and their own points they leave teammates to die. I can't count the number of times I've had bad luck and the game has literally just started and I'm hooked and I'm waiting and waiting and no teammate is doing gens or anything - and no one comes. Then they start doing gens and Imma just hanging. I'm lucky if someone finally comes after I'm near the end of the second hook. Now, if I see that - I just try to help myself to off.

I think we have different definitions of what "problematic" is.

I wouldn't consider survivors bringing 4 offerings and 8 perks for a chance to unhook themselves once throughout the entire trial "problematic". If you're not waiting next to the hook, the value of self unhooking is negligible. Yes, the rest of survivors can keep doing gens, but you still have to heal yourself or do gens wounded, and both options require perks to mitigate the shortcomings of having half your build oriented to that one chance to escape. You're not getting gens done much faster nor surviving chases for so much longer with the options we have.

Self unhook, even with entire builds dedicated to it, is an entirely harmless, almost non-existent mechanic. And the cost you have to pay to make it somewhat reliable is definitely not proportional to the benefits you get when it does work - a clear indicator of something not being "problematic" by any stretch of the imagination.

4% or not i would still try to unhook myself on a hopeless losing game. Im not here to help the killer get off on bullying with their top 5 killer and their slow down stacking.

the second they remove unhooking more than 30% of the player base would quit

You can easily play around it when you know it's in play, and you will.

I've gone against this build and it's just been down after down because everyone is eager to use their slippery meat chances.

I doubt everyone is unhooking themselves so often on a 4%, most likely using perks and offerings to help, however I will agree the self-unhook is just as outdated as hook grabs or 3-gens to me.

Mainly because survivors use it to circumvent the DC penalty.

That said, I wouldn't remove it without giving some kinda tradeoff. Maybe some mechanic so the hooked survivor can warn nearby survivors the killer is camping? Not sure what that would be, but wouldn't that be better than a way to easily give up and mess your team up?

I'm saying that yelling over a mechanic that works in your favor 96% of the time in a game known for its horrendous balancing is silly. The sheer number of other issues in this game is staggering, and you're acting as if the 4% unhook is a pressing issue. It's really not in my eyes, and I'd say most people here are agreeing with that assessment.

You can make as many overtop jokes at my expense as you wish, it isn't selling your point.

I mean, if I say, "I get mori'd by Sadako every match" people are rightfully gonna be questioning that since it's so unlikely statistically speaking.

Also, as an aside, I saw you replied to me but I can't seem to find it here