Mount Ormond Resort (Ormond)

Map feels mostly fine. The shack window leading into the loop at the corner of the map can be really difficult to deal with but other than that, map feels much better than it used to.

######### love Ormond, it's map #2 in my favorites for either role. Maybe make it a lil' darker, but please change nothing about it.

Mount Ormond Resort is a map that as of right now favors survivor, not because the safety is problematic and unbalanced but rather due to how the large size of the map is used.

During an usual game in Ormond the generators can be very hard to defend (specially if the killer lacks mobility) given the size and length of the map, supported by the large main building in the middle and the generators being located mostly near the edge of the map. At the start of the trial, the size issue is felt the most, depending on the spawns of the players and their loadouts, the killer might lose a generator or two without finding anyone because they patrolled the wrong corner and took too long before navigating to the actual location of the survivors.

On top of the already large size, the map counts with 2 opposite corners with small pockets where a mazetile and shack can be found, allowing survivors to perform a last ditch effort to delay the killer while being as far as possible from everything else in the map (and therefore contributing to the crippling downtime the killer has to go through before their next move). While these spots are tactically strong for survivor, they can be used against them in an equally unfun way (specially if basement is in shack), since the killer can defend a hook in said corners while keeping a patrol that is far enough to bypass the anti-facecamp mechanic and therefore make it really hard to rescue against (also taking advantage of how open the map is).

To expand on the "camping" issue, as of the minor update that the map received recently, main building counts with 1 hook upstairs that may or may not be problematic given how the paths to the hook converge at the main staircase and the killer can easily defend it while keeping their distance.

On the other hand, Ormond has some of the most balanced safety in the many realms that the game has, eventhough the filler loops can be awkwardly distributed sometimes. Main building has consistent resources with some variability (always 2 pallets upstairs and 2 downstairs, always 2 windows upstairs and 1 downstairs + 1 downstairs if basement spawns there), it is strong but not absurdly oppressive; the chairlift landmark is weak and the snowcat landmark is strong but can't be recycled due to its lack of window; the recently modified landmark of the chalet entrance is now like a fixed filler loop that may or may not spawn a pallet.

There are 4 mazetiles and the types that the realm uses has increased from 8 to 10 in the recent update, making it by far the richest map when it comes to variety in mazetile design (and there is no specific problem with any of them). The amount is ideal and should be kept the same (reducing the amount of mazetiles would hurt the consistency they provide and it would fail to showcase the many types the map can spawn).

The filler loops, while sometimes awkwardly spread and while often referred as dull due to the designs being only rock loops, they are overall neither too safe nor too unsafe. The picnic area was updated recently too but unlike the chalet entrance and the 2 new mazetile types, it didn't seem to improve much from the previous iteration of the tiles (and given that dream pallets can be placed at spots that don't spawn pallets, the picnic area update may not be finished yet).

The pallet count of the map seems to vary from 15 to 18 and the average is estimated around 17 pallets. From these we know 4 will be at main, 1 at shack, 1 at snowcat, 3-4 at mazetiles and the rest at the filler loops (about 6 to 8). While the amount may seem alarmingly high, I don't think it requires a direct change since reducing the map size will passively reduce the pallet count already.

If changes are due to happen, I believe most will agree that the safety should remain the same while the size, shape and part of the layout should shift to mitigate the downtime killers are forced to take when traversing and patrolling the map (and therefore incentivizing interactive gameplay).

At the same time, the "pocket corners" could also be addressed and since there wouldn't be enough space to fit the mazetiles and landmarks, the side of the chairlift could be expanded (like in the graphic) to fulfill that task (the snowcat side should be left the same since the landmark's strength would skyrocket if more loops spawned around it). If the new layout is anything similar to either of the 2 I suggest, maybe shack could be relocated slightly so it isn't too close to the corner of main that spawn basement (since otherwise both possible basements would be in the same area).

One thing I feel I often deal with on this map as killer, is that I sometimes misread the path of scratch marks generate after I lose sight of a survivor very briefly when they leave a loop (main building and shack in particular, but sometimes tiles as well).

It feels like the way the partially snowy ground texture contrasts with the red scratches isn't as easy to discern at a glance as the ground textures on other maps are, since on this map you have to differentiate from 3 colors (white snow, brownish ground, and red scratch marks) in order to determine the direction that a survivor went.

That map could be changed from a long rectangular shape into a square one as it does feel especially long on the sides. I think the Mount Ormond realm should be expanded. Maybe decrease the map size slightly and create a second variation of it with new structures. I'd love to see it's og layout brought back with the smaller snow vehicle and the hill in the corner with the tower and gen on top. It's our only cold environment in game and it could use some variety or expansion.

There's a reason survivors send you to this map so often, and it's because it favors them a lot. The recent rework to tiles on this map got rid of many 50/50 pallet set ups to fewer but much safer pallet set ups. It was survivor sided before the tile rework, but at least killer skill could swing those 50/50 tiles. Now, there's long rock walls at most pallets on the sides of main. The main structure itself leans survivor with a strong lower window and 2 god pallets. Shack side usually spawns connectable, while other side of main could be amazing or horrible for the survs, based on rng. Overall, one of the more survivor sided maps

I second that!

It's a pretty decent map. love the aesthetic of it with the snow falling and everything moving. Ever since the update it's been really fun for survivor and killer. Some tiles will get you caught and downed but either way it's a decent map.

the breakable doors in the bedrooms of the resort being broken, it’s either a super unsafe window or a super safe window there’s too many doors just like dead dawg. And the pallet that spawns on the snow plow side upstairs it’s really frustrating at times

I feel while yes the map does have a couple bad dead zones, it more than makes up for it in balanced loops and a particularly strong main building. Problem I think is that killers that lack mobility or map control/slowdown struggle as almost any chase can result in a chase at the main building if they're not injured, and the gens can be quite far away from each other.

very balanced map, i think it should stay the way it is and if it ends up getting changed the only real change that would make the map better would be shrinking the map just a little towards the far corner furthest away from shack. maybe some interaction with the ski slope like how you can use the keycard on nostromo wreckage would be cool

This map is too big, for mobility killers, not an issue, but for killers like Ghostface, Trapper, Twins,... who already feel weak to play as in any maps, this really doesn't help.

Visibility is great, but this means stealth killers have no chance, you can see Ghostface a mile away, pig can crouch how much she wants, you just have more time to stare at her,...

Also, you generally know at all times where killer is, denying stealth perks as well, and can see them coming from really far away and start running really early, making it impossible to be caught off guard

So the size and visibility is survivor sided here

Loops aren't survivor sided, but it's definitely not M1 killer sided either. The main building is just horrible with some killer like... Ghostface (poor guy I know, I don't even main him he's just getting all the negative sides of this map), Myers, Cenobite,... If you don't have a great chase power, this map sucks because of all the filler pallets and connected loops

TLDR : Main point : this map is too big, shrinking it would already do a lot !

Then maybe some mindgame-able loops, stronger loops, but LESS loops and connected tiles. That way, you can still have a chance against killers with great chase power, and it helps M1 killers who would've still had a hard time against those "weak" tiles anyway

honestly the only problems with this map are the size and the spawns. 9/10 game I play as killer on Ormond start with me in the middle of the map and a survivor in each corner. It’s impossible not to lose 2-3 gens in the first few minutes and there’s really nothing you can do about it. The map feels really good for mobility killers but feels a bit big for normal movement killers so a slight shrink in the size would be great.

Ive had times where id play as something like spirit or alien and end chases in seconds the whole round but they all still get out because theres so much space between generators that they almost have no pressure on them. And as survivor its like a 50% chance you escape if they arent tunneling or camping. Everyone saying they often get 3ks is due to the map being large enough that the survivor often finds the hatch before you can patrol the whole place for it

Main issue is that the map is too large and the main building too safe. Killers lacking map mobility really struggle here.

Very strong map for swf's which why its the map offering I see survivors bring the most when I play killer. Wayyy too big. The killer can spawn in one corner of the map to walk straight to the other corner as a 4.6 killer takes roughly 30 secs. Of course in a real match the killer will be checking gens on their way there so it will take longer. Its not an uncommon strategy to use offers to spawn as a group and far from the killer as possible on Ormond and 3 or 4 man the gen they spawn on, completing it before the killer can even start a chase. That's feels a bad moment and killers shouldn't be that heavily punished for not bring corrupt intervention. Of course spawning middle can also be just as punishing the the killer chooses the check the wrong direction.

Personal problem I can not see scratch marks to save my life on that map but that might just be a me problem.

My bear trap doesn't blend in with snow, big sad 😔

I feel like the matches on this map are fun and often engaging - however I do believe the main building should be looked at, as there are too many easy escapes for survivors at times - cutting off one or more of them while making the small "outpost" building stronger would be good.

Totally incompetent developers. Large cards, this is automatically the balance on the side of the survivors. There is a lot of garbage on the maps that harms only the killers, put the order on the maps already.

This map is one of my favorites. Moreover, I like to play on both sides.

I don't think it's too big. I don’t understand this desire to reduce everything and make clashes between the parties more frequent - it’s a little annoying.

One of my favourite maps overall. What I like the most is probably that the main building have a variation in layout. My only complain is about the side rock tiles: i feel that survivors have too much visibility there both when it comes to looping and map traversal.

Edit: I see in other comments that some people feel like it is too big and I completely disagree with that. 26 tiles is the right amount of tiles and I wouldn't like any changes to that