It’s no longer an exaggeration… everyone is tunneling

The first chase alone should last long enough for 2-3 gens to be finished, depending on killer perks and spawn locations (except against a cracked Nurse, ok). The full map is available to the survivor, all the ressources, WoO + propably one exhaustion perk.

I wonder how some SOLO teams manage to do this, even against killers with thousands of hours, even on stream? Killrate must be over 90%.

And body blocks are a whole other story. I've seen so many survivors f*** this up, like trying it in the wide open when the killer can just run around them, running BEHIND the killer for a minute or longer and the tunneled survivor entering complete panic mode, running around like a headless chicken. Or survivors even going down, giving the killer immense free pressure that can never be undone.

The game's balance is just not forgiving enough for survivors until they have played hundreds or sometimes thousands of hours. I feel like some killers will play for a hundred hours or so, do well and just assume that survivors are inherently less talented than they are, without taking any time to consider that maybe the game's systems are just more punishing for survivors learning the game. This is why killers do extremely well at lower MMR and gradually get weaker as they climb the MMR ladder.

Whilst I understand that survivor nerfs have to happen to maintain balance at the highest MMR, we can't just pretend that those nerfs don't keep raising the skill floor for survivors who haven't been playing the game for the last few years at least. A survivor with a hundred hours or so is not going to be able to make tunneling a losing strategy against a killer with a similar amount of experience.

I genuinely have no idea how you balance this game. It's probably impossible to do. If I could do one thing, I'd force every survivor to start off wearing WoO. Would it be a crutch? Yes. Would it help survivors get past the game's skill floor? Somewhat.

So explain if it is a team game how if I die on hook and 3 people get out my mmr goes down. Also just because people don't play the way you want to does not make them immature. They could say the same about you and say you need to learn to have fun and stop being so uptight.

while you do lose MMR for dying, you do gain mmr for the 3 survivors who escaped.

I think some regions are worse than others as I just don't see constant tunnelling in my region (OCE).

But I do watch streamers in EU or NA and I notice hard tunnelling is a lot more common there and I feel bad for the newer players who aren't really equipped to deal with this and it ruins the game for them.

Even sadder is the fact that the players being tunnelled out are often weaker anyway and tunnelling them would never have been necessary to win in the first place

Are you saying the same Demo I just went up against twice in a row, yes IN A ROW, feels guilt for tunneling me out in both matches?

This is really facts!

The problem I've noticed in my games is that most survivors suck with the one skill based interaction that they have with the killer and that's looping. A tunneling killer will waste so much time tunneling a good looper. However in reality a majority go down in 20 seconds max if not less.

I can't tell you how many matches I've played recently with people that I've hooked being unhooked and tea bagging or clicking just to use their bk bt or decisive and then get mad when I hook them again. Or the unhooker who turned out to be the better looper just runs and hides instead of taking chase.

I learned that most people do not want to take chase after the unhook which screws the hooked person over.

To further prove your point I watched a super popular content creator today play about 7 matches he hard tunneled in most of them and in the first 4 he only got 1-2k the others where similar until he switched to his main, while he was hard tunneling one surv the others were just smashing gens, the saves all came either before second stage or just a tiny bit earlier. Thing was after the save no one healed under hook and at least 2 to 3 gens popped within seconds. Some were solo and some where swf. Thing is they all understood the game and the assignment.

Tunneling sucks for newer survivors I get it, it used to drive me crazy as well but it's also bitter sweet the more your tunneled the more practice you can get at looping and chase, and that's a fact you can't get better at looping if your not being chased or only being chased rarely. Having this positive outlook turned something negative into a positive for me and made it less of a annoyance and more of a personal practice per se.

The problem is with solo q and how you can have 10k hour killer playing against 2 500 hours or less, 1k hour, and 4k hour survivor. Obviously this doesn't happen all the time but it happens enough to make tunneling valid at high levels. Any equally skilled group of coordinated survivors should be able to heavily punish a tunneling killer, the only way this doesn't happen is if your not as good as you assume you are and the killer happens to in fact be better. The same goes for killers that cry about WOO, distortion, adrenaline or any other good but no where near op survivor perk.

Man, what a fun game! For all 5 players!

I feel ya. These slowdown perks are brutal, but not unbeatable. I'd personally like to see tunneling dealt with instead. It's still the 'issue' of the month.

Preach it!

A tunneling killer will waste so much time tunneling a good looper. However in reality a majority go down in 20 seconds max if not less.

But the argument goes they will find the weak link, and tunnel.

Tunneling sucks for newer survivors I get it, it used to drive me crazy as well but it's also bitter sweet the more your tunneled the more practice you can get at looping and chase, and that's a fact you can't get better at looping if your not being chased or only being chased rarely. Having this positive outlook turned something negative into a positive for me and made it less of a annoyance and more of a personal practice per se.

A new player who gets tunneled a few times in their exploratory time with the game... will not continue playing the game. Tunneling has zero place in a new player's lobby. Not sub 5 hours lol.

It all started with the huge mistake that was removing BBQ and Chilli's bonus points.

You were already warned that there would be consequences after removing totally legitimate strategies from the game, such as 3gen, hook grabs or camping. Every change with such an high impact on the gamplay requires some type of compensation to maintain the balance. And the players have already taken care to find that balance, the killrate is still around 60% thanks to eveyone tunneling game after game...

Don't count on it mate

And i have said it also 1.3 billion times. The game would be in a much healthier state if they stopped balancing for kills and instead balanced around chases and hooks.

The problem is, that the current state of the game means that it is not POSSIBLE at a high level to win without some degree of tunneling. (I.E. focusing 2 survivors out). Because the game is simply not balanced in a way that allows 4 survivors to be alive for anything more than a few minutes, or the killer will not be able to outpace the survivors on the gens, no matter how much pressure they exert. With the exception of nurse and blight, who can end chases extremely quickly.

"A new player who gets tunneled a few times in their exploratory time with the game... will not continue playing the game. Tunneling has zero place in a new player's lobby. Not sub 5 hours lol."

My brother in Christ this a matchmaking problem not a tunneling problem. New killers when matched with new survivors stilll will not be successful in tunneling as neither is going to know what is going on. The issue like I stated is with matchmaking. There's not a competitive multiplayer game thats been out past 5 years that is going nice to beginners once again because of matchmaking.

The learning curve from newbie to mediocre at this game is around 500 to 1k hours and that's being generous. At this point in the games life being new your gonna get you teeth kicked in every bit of that time because there aren't enough new players to be matched with consistently.

The fact still remains that against GOOD survivors tunneling just isn't effective. Nothing will stop hardcore tunneling aside from making the unhooked invincible, but even then people will still tunnel the weakest and that survivor will always die first as they should.

This game will never be friendly to newer players simply because they make up to small of a percentage of the player base to be properly matched with like skilled players. DBD isn't still alive due to the constant influx of players, its here because we are all guttons for pain and there's nothing remotely close that even begins to scratch that DBD itch. You can't balance a 7 year old game for new players I'm sorry just not gonna happen.

Now that new players have been addressed, how in the world do competent survivor mains get out played by tunneling unless they're not as good as the the player they're going against.

What people should be asking to get rid of is blood lust since a vast majority of survivors according to this forum can't loop long enough to prevent tunneling and blood lust solely closes that gap between a god looper and bad killer it's no longer needed.

Because we can all be honest here a tunneling killer can't be bad at the game and still win IF the survivors are good right?

Oh of course I'm not advocating for hard tunneling as I don't tunnel myself. I also know when some one is new I purposely let them feel out what to do. I as former nurse main I've learned that there's more to the game than winning. While tunneling can be a valid strat it becomes less effective the better the survivors are.

Yeah matchmaking is terrible which is why I tell most killers to let matches go, if you get bullied the next team isn't to blame because they're more than likely gonna be a solo squad with way less hours.

I hate that most of these post are just black and white us vs them instead of actual productive discussions.

The lose of bloodlust basekit would suffice and raise the skill expression of killer as well. Let's be honest the only killer that would suffer is hag who should be 4.6 anyway by now.

Maybe the threat of DS alone will reduce it but I'm really not certain that this will be enough. There is no alternative to DS after all.

Playing for hooks is only fun for the survivor

I mean, it's somewhat natural that some killers will stop winning. If you raised your MMR to the max of your ability by hard tunneling every match, then it's only natural that you will lose a lot more after the DS buff, which I'm quite certain will bring it back to 5 seconds. Though I have a feeling, that there will be more to it. Otherwise they could have simply increased the number and thrown it in any patch prior.

I just hope they can avoid that old DS + UB meta. We do not need to relive that. Especially since it would likely lead to the same situation we have now. Tunneling in pretty much every match. After all, if you're going to eat a DS anyway, then it might as well be on your terms.

Tbh if they are getting tunneled because they are wearing the same thing that is their own damn fault

At least half of my matches have the killer tunnel everyone. They don't even stop after the first kill, it's just 3 hook the same person, then 3 hook the next one. They also camp because they know that the survivors will always go for the save because the match is boring otherwise, and since at least 75% of all matches are on Midwich nobody can find the generators anyway and it takes an eternity to punish the killer for camping.