Killer buffs/survivor nerfs

Survivors are a team only when it comes to gens and preventing their teammate from getting tunneled apparently. When it comes to win rates or kill rates apparently it’s a 1v1v1v1v1, not a 1v4 🙃, because clearly you don’t need the help of your three other teammates to escape, right?

Sorry, it’s not a win rate at all; it’s actually the escape rate.

Right. I just realized my mistake. Lol

Oh I totally agree with you, this argument makes no sense to me. As you can see in the graphic you posted, a 50% kill rate equates to a 40/40/20 win loss draw split, what seems like is the no brainer for where the game should be balanced.

Its 40% escape rate for a singular person. If you REALLY wanted to win especially in a 4 man its actually quite incredibly easy to get consistent 2 outs.

If this were true, the reasonable thing to do would be lowering her ceiling if they wanted to raise her skill floor. They've done both which will make her annoying as hell to deal with for most survivors.

The Pinky Finger was nerfed actually. They reduced the max amount of bottles with this addon to 1 (similar to iri head). So it doesn't matter what other addons you use, it will still only be 1 bottle. I honestly don't have an issue with that though. This addon is simply stupid and should be reworked.

Wicked is a situational but pretty good perk when it comes to that. I'd really like to know if it also works when you're in second stage. That would be pretty cool. Although it has the problem, that you can never really predict it's usefulness. One match it might be insane, the next it does nothing. The aura vision is pretty powerful though. So it may work as an anti tunnel perk.

Strength In Shadows is not bad actually. It's not the most reliable perk either but it has a fairly decent effect and the aura vision is again pretty strong. 10 seconds is a lot and especially in a SWF, this is quite disgusting.

Weaving Spiders is very disappointing though. They really want to keep this whole basement focus so badly and I just can't understand why. The effect is good but the time investment and the extra downside just break it.

Also, I'm pretty sure SC + Botany Knowledge is actually weaker than Strength In Shadows. With Self-Care you take roughly 45 seconds to heal yourself. Botany Knowledge increases the speed by 50% so we get: t = 45 seconds / (100% + 50%) = 45 seconds x 2/3 = 30 seconds. On the other hand you have SIS with a 70% healing speed, which brings you to: t = 16c / (0.7c * s^(-1)) = 22.86 seconds.

I disagree that survivors got nothing useful with this chapter. Could her perks be a bit better? Definitely. But are they as bad as you made it sound? I don't think so. They certainly have some use and a SWF can definitely work with all the aura reading. In solo queue, I reckon Wicked could be a useful anti tunnel tool but that kind of depends on the killer.

One must factor in travel time when comparing the time investment of Strength in Shadows to SC + BK. That appears to be missing from your equation—likely because that unknown distance time could be 2 seconds to 2 minutes. Either way, this isn’t a variable SC-BK has to deal with.

I actually really liked the Pinky Finger add-on as it was. I dunno why the devs decided to nerf it. And I despise the change to his intoxication effect. Clown was one killer I could basically destroy an entire team with rather easily. He really got a raw deal this update.

This is of course true but I said above that it's a more situational perk (not reliable). When it comes to raw numbers you can heal yourself fairly quick with a single perk and get aura reading on top of that. It's nowhere near meta but it's not so bad that it will never see usage.

That is one reason for it. The other is, that we're comparing a combination of 2 perks with 1 perk. You can't really say what is stronger because that massively depends on the game. In one game, you could be on Rotten Fields and always get value from it, the next you're on RPD and cannot make your way to the basement all the time. So both have their strengths and weaknesses.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with buffing the perk a bit more but I think it's fairly decent overall.

I'll be honest, I hate this addon. The best use for it is to run after a survivor and then shove a bottle up their arse. That is not really fun and it certainly doesn't feel good to play against. Although, the anti face camping mechanic removed the most problematic aspect from it, so I guess it wasn't as bad as it used to.

You're referring to the visual effect, right? Does that really make a big difference? I haven't tested him on the PTB, so I can't tell.

I mean the wind up change is literally similar to a lot of other killers. Adding a part of an addon and reducing the actual addons effect so that the other addons get some more appeal to them. This change isn't really bad.

The extra hatchets though is weird. I've heard people say to add more lockers to maps but they chose more hatchets? Why?

And obviously the movement speed one was dumb but they got rid of that change.

5 matches, 12 kills over 20 survivors, we have:

0k ; 0k ; 4k ; 4k ; 4k (2 lose, 3 win for killers /// 3 lose, 2 win as survivors)

2k ; 2k ; 2k ; 3k ; 3k (3 draw, 2 win for killers /// 3 draw, 2 lose for survivors)

Killers still win more than lose, what your point?

If you see 2k as a draw, sure, then survivors with 2 escape should count as a draw. You know, survivors are supposed to work "as a team" so the result should count "as a team".

I’m agreeing with you?

If the survivors are seen as a team then 2 out should be and is considered a draw according to the game. Balancing around 3-4 survivors getting out is not healthy for the game. You balance around 50% because above average and below average games equate to a 3k and 1k respectively.

Im just about done going against Billy after Billy after Billy. These developers just cant seem to stop over buffing things to absurdity. Next on the block is huntress like what do you want survivors to even play against anymore?

Like I am at a point that I would take a skull merchant match over a Billy match as its just starting to get old.

Noone asked for overdrive and this ridiculous turn rate and speed and reapplication of power, they just wanted old Billy back ie: no overheat.

Now you have old billy + overdrive its so skill less and boring to go against. There's a reason so many of the killer players have decided to start playing this thing.

It's seen as a draw from the Killer side but it's seen as two wins and two losses from the Survivor side. The only draw condition is Hatch for survivors.

I'm not arguing that's how it should be but the developers view it as 4 individual 1v1s for the survivors and a 4v1 for the Killer. That's how their MMR system is coded so if you try to make sense of it from viewing the survivors as a team nothing will make sense since you'll be viewing the rates from a different point of view than the devs.

It leads to weird outcomes such as although a tunneling Killer will often hurt themselves by raising their MMR to a level that they can't compete in an aggressive Survivor who can run the Killer for three or four gens will effectively carry their team but die and thus lower their MMR to go against less skilled Killers?

That last point was a side tangent but if you do want to make sense of it from the devs' point of view the devs don't look at survivor as a team effort. If you want to make it out of low MMR it 100% is until at least the gens are powered but that's not how it's viewed.

Just to interject, survivors did get buffs recently. It’s not huge but the heartbeat sensor they have is more powerful than they like to admit, it lessens the need to rely on sound to tell if the killer is near. So you can focus on listening to call outs, information, or focus more on the gen you’re connected too.

I know it helps the hearing impaired but so far I’ve seen only people with good hearing use it. So it’s a buff to survivors, like the very new killer FOV slider is for killers.

The forever discussion until the game dies:

"Killers get everything they want, survivors do not."

- Yep, Killers wanted a Token-System for NOED, Killers wanted Aurareading on NOED, Killers wanted Blight-Addon-Nerfs etc.

"Survivors are OP and you nerf the Pig?"

- Yeah, SWFs are sometimes OP, SoloQ is beatable with M1.

Blabla, blabla