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The New Killer Has Resulted In A Lot Of Transphobia :(
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I understand the intent behind the sentiment but going back into hiding is not the solution. That's what these people want. They want to make us stop existing, to make us afraid, to make us feel subhuman. Telling people to hide who they are in order to avoid harassment is just helping the bigots get what they're after. Use the trans flag charm to show support, drown out the bigots with support and positivity. It's needed now more than ever.
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> Use the trans flag charm to show support, drown out the bigots with support and positivity.
And then also report them all so they can be permabanned. Their hateful ######### doesn't belong here
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Exactly. Report every instance you see, take screenshots and send it to BHVR. Be an ally. That's the best thing you can do for us.
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Just as info: For end game chat, screenshots are not needed, nor an additional support ticket. In-game report is enough as reports areforwarded with he chat log
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She's also said that she had no idea the killer would look like this and if she'd known the amount of transphobic vitriol that would spawn from it (there was no model at time of recording) she never would have taken the role
Source?
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I don't think this will happen. Not again.
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A series of now-deleted tweets (@zoeyalexandria9, https://twitter.com/Zoeyalexandria9?t=-YlvNOXjL98Xm4nSgC0MPg&s=09) that I do not possess Screenshots of, so I'm afraid you're going to have to trust me.
But I do have proof that she didn't know what the model would be
And she would've let another take the role had she known exactly what the role would've entailed to stop herself from feeling so dysphoric.
The comments about her mental health suffering because of it, and the transphobic backlash, I do not have evidence for anymore.
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This is heartbreaking to see. Why do bigots have to ruin everything.
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Sadly this has been a thing for years for some reason. It mostly happened with david king with people just tunneling and camping them. Clearly some bad actors have just used whatever means they can to just harass others (bubba). I hope the report system actually does its job this time. I was one of the people at first that liked the sentiment of nothing mattering for survivors because they were just a blank canvas of victims. But overtime of having friends and meeting others that love it its grown on me a lot. And just some people use any means they can to be jerks. Much support. And hope we dont need a full rework of the unknowns skins for it but if its necessary i accept it.
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The depths some people will sink to to hate people for merely existing never fails to astound me
Like, how pathetic and empty does someone’s life have to be to not only decide that a genderless bodysnatcher that changes form based on what people believe it to be is suddenly trans because *checks notes*…it can wear a cheerleader outfit and was voiced by a trans voice actress, but then using that made up label they created in their own imagination as a excuse to harass and attack people, there is stretching and then there’s whatever nonsense that is
Humans and their obsession with meaningless labels istg
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Thanks
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Simply by existing we put ourselves out there. We're not going anywhere.
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I'm not sure I can tell you exactly what I think.But... I think that no reason for "any" gender identity to be expressed to the whole world. Because that's not the necessary information to play the game. I want only my dearest friends, family and loved ones should know about it.
However, we have the freedom to express ourself, and I respect that.
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Great... we gonna get a repeat of the Blackface Bubba incident?
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Maybe. Maybe not.
Bubba blackface was literally blackface due to a texture bug and it was a licensed cosmetic making it harder to deal with for BHVR
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I sure hope not.
I don't want to lose another cosmetic because of horrible people.
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Believe me I'm very well aware of that.
I won't go diving into my own issues in life, because comparing challenges is pointless, but the one fact of the matter is, the world is never going to stop punching down on you, no matter who you are.
You can try to silence and subdue all forms of hateful and hurtful things people can say or do all you want, but it will never be eradicated, there will always be more people who do it, there will always be some scenario where its going to sneak through.
The only way you truly beat any form of bullying is to learn how to rise above it. That's a lot harder to do, and it's much easier to call out to social media for validation and protection, but it is the only way to truly end its power over you.
I'm not pretending it's simple or easy to build inner strength and resilience, it damn well isn't, I myself still get it wrong and get in my own head from time to time, but you're only truly a victim if you let yourself be a victim...
To my mind its very important to acknowledge that something that "triggers" you is a weakness that people who intend you harm can exploit. Whether you get therapy for it or however you solve it doesn't matter, but addressing and committing to working on and overcoming that weakness is the first step to removing your enemies power over you. That is how you beat bullies.
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They removed Bubba masks over a few bad actors and bhvr set the precedent this is how they will treat toxicity. Don't ban the actors, remove cosmetics.
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We're not talking about people getting attacked in the street and laws across different countries and cultures.
We're talking about DBD in-game skins, and insults in end game chat. DBD is not the battleground for this issue.
The Unknown's skins are exactly what they look like. A hideous monstrosity wearing people's skin as a suit. There is no correlation between that and trans people at all, and anyone trying to upset people by claiming there is (which is all they're doing... they're trying to upset people), should not be given any attention or power whatsoever.
It's the same thing as terrorism. You give attention to it, you fuel the cause and create a divide between people that helps drive the terrorist agenda. If you ignore them, barely give them any attention, their cause doesn't create the hostility it's trying for. I for one have no intention of giving attention to people trying to push an anti-trans agenda by banning skins that some idiot on the Internet is trying to use to push that agenda.
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Right? Obviously the cosmetic is what allows ppl to harass others. Without that, the killer will go "Ah gee willikers, I guess I have to be nice now".
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That’s…
Man that sucks.
That’s also kind of a fumble on BHVR’s part, ngl.
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This is very sad to hear.
Hopefully BHVR will take note of this thread, step up their game and start cleaning house to rid the community of players who boot up the game with the intent to cause others pain. There shouldn't be any tolerance for this BS.
I think online platforms in general need to do a better job of preventing harassment. But I'm worried DBD's current report system isn't up to the job of dealing with stuff like this.
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That something I do absolutely agree with. The people being reported for this, should defniitely face strict bans, if not permanent ones.
The goal of my post, is not to say "toughen up and deal with it", what it's purpose is, is to give practical advice against statements like "this toxicity ruins this killer for me". As I've said, I won't dive into my own issues, but the point that you need to ensure that you build the strength to mentally withstand bullying (whether physical or psychological) is a very VERY long and hard earned lesson in my own life, and it is genuinely the ONLY way to overcome it.
I'm not denegrating trans or LGBTQ expereinces, what I am doing is supporting people by saying, you are stronger than that, you've got this. You should never allow anyone to hold the power to upset you, unless you've trusted them enough to give it to them, and some of the lessons I've learned to this effect, came from people in the LGBTQ community. They own their stereotypes, and don't allow anyone to make them feel ashamed for being what they are, and anyone who tries fails miserably, because they can't get a rise out of them. It's a very powerful tool that is important for anyone to learn, and I'd argue, vital for anyone on the internet.
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Trust me, what I said wasn't some desire or belief of what should happen, but it is a potential response that BHVR might consider.
Not saying they will do, but as a playerbase we'd need to report every single transphobic case and eliminate them from the game before BHVR are forced to consider those options.
It would be horrible if something bad were to happen because of some insignificant, backward cavemen.
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I agree completely, my friend.
This time they should handle the situation properly: leave the cosmetics alone and ban every transphobic player. Not even a warning, but an immediate removal from the playerbase.
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i reported someone and they got banned within 48 hours
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I don't think BHVR really did anything wrong here. Nothing about Unknown is supposed to represent transgender people (or non-binary as the voice actor mentioned). They most likely just hired her because she can perform a male and female voice and is trained in doing so and didn't even consider what people would do.
If anyone associates a genderless creature wearing both masculine and feminine clothes together with someone being trans or non-binary, then that's on them not BHVR. It is disgusting that people are actually acting that way and anyone who is should be banned no questions asked.
I don't think they'll just remove them. They might make them linked though...
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So let me get this straight, someone purchased The Unknown (the VA is a trans woman) with money/auric cells/blood shards as well as cosmetics to be a pos to people with the trans pride charm? Some people are strange.
Sorry you had to experience that, I hope that player gets banned.
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We have precedent for this, the outfits should be removed and refunded. Just like Leatherface faces, if a cosmetic is being used as harassment it must be removed.
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I don't think it's as easy for the unknown. If they remove the cosmetics because they look like females then will all of unknown's cosmetics have to look like a male? But, it would have no lore reason to do that. It would limit cosmetic potential as well of course and bhvr would lose money by doing this.
I personally think they should just make it so the female outfits are linked that way you can't mix them with the male items.
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It is never the correct choice, my friend.
The cosmetics must stay.
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People aren't using the Old Lady one for this reason, to be fair.
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If BHVR wants to be consistent they have to. The very complaint OP is giving was the same for Leatherface.
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That was more than a few bad actors and harmful comments. Black fog whisperers were doxxed (miladyconfetti is one I specifically know was doxxed), which means the harassment wasn’t just online in EGC or their stream chats. And the Smart Skin being used to promote minstrelsy & anti-blackness had a stronger relationship than the Unknown’s link to a MTF transgender identity. If we’re going by the Unknown, a genderless entity, not looking ‘feminine’ enough in its feminine skins to ‘pass’ as a cis woman you could make the same argument for Huntress and Charlotte, who are also quite masculine presenting. And the people still harass Black survivor characters and even David or anyone with the associated LGBTQIA+ charms—regardless of character. That’s still a thing in this game. I would hope these things aren’t removed because they’re magnets for bigotry. Same with the unknown skins although tbh it’s not a connection I would have never made.
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It's not my choice. It's the bed BHVR made.
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The devs made a statement that things in the game that are being used for tools to spread hate are to be removed. They set their own precedent and now must live up to the precedent they set.
For the record, I'm not even pro-removal. I was against removing the leatherface cosmetics, because giving hateful people the power to get cosmetics removed is not how you deal with hateful people.
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Let me load in as Skull Merchant and give them some skull 💀 mommy love 😈
(stab! stab! Stab! Camps and tunnels.) 🤣🤣 I’ll quiet them down real fast hahahaha
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Making the same mistake twice just makes the situation worse.
There is no excuse for racism or transphobia, but the cosmetics are not to blame. People choose to be awful, and BHVR should deal with them, not remove the cosmetic.
They should make it right this time.
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I would agree. 👌🏼
A monster with no identity. No gender. Just the looks the unknown makes out of past victims. If people are saying these harsh comments they need to be banned. End of story.
We dont back down. Keep the cosmetics.
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First, I agree with you and they should not be removed.
But, to make things right would to bring back the cosmetics wrongfully removed and punish the individuals that harass others instead. Either they reverse what happened last time or be consistent and remove the offending cosmetics.
Being inconsistent in treating the same issue is in my opinion a worse outcome.
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Breaking a consistency that should never have been is better than making the same mistake again, imho.
But the important thing is that they shouldn't be removed.
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They removed all the survivor faces from Bubba, right? Including Meg and Dwight? I get the feeling it came from the license holder—who probably said no unlicensed cosmetics for the character anymore (beyond prestige)—rather than solely BHVR. Because IIRC the creators of Bubba at some point stated they deliberately avoided having him skin any Black people on camera for a very specific reason. And now that I think about it, people could also use the ‘pretty woman’ and ‘old lady’ Bubba skins to harass trans people as well.
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If I believe they would keep with the correct action in the future I would be more receptive.
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Well, it is their chance to do the right thing.
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And now that I think about it, people could also use the ‘pretty woman’ and ‘old lady’ Bubba skins to harass trans people as well.
Exactly right, this rabbit hole runs deep. If the license holder gets wind of this will that justify these being removed as well?
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Hypothetically, if the license holders want to avoid controversy they’d pull the character from DBD entirely. Most especially since this would be the second time their character has been involved in a bigotry scandal.
If BHVR can’t handle issues of bullying in house I don’t see TCM letting another Bubba-used-as-a-tool-of-bigotry controversy fester. But as I’d mention earlier people could also use Charlotte and Huntress to harass transwomen.
Bullies could use any feminine character that doesn’t ’pass’ as a cis woman as a catalyst to harass transwomen. And even without those features they can still harass transwomen in other ways. I’m not on board with removing characters or skins because people abuse them. I mentioned earlier that people still harass players for queuing in as Black survivors. I would never support removing Black characters from the game because they’re more likely to be targets of racist cyberbullying. Would you?
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This is discussing what could be and not what is. The Unknown cosmetics have been in the store for like 2 days max and are already the spotlight of such controversy, Huntress was here years ago.
No, there's nothing stopping losers from picking another skin/character to spew their hate, but that doesn't mean they will.
To be honest, I say BHVR should update its report system before making a decision. If they get all the transphobes, this whole issue should fade entirely and there's no need to remove anything. If that doesn't happen and the current skins become defined as "the skins people use to be transphobic" like Bface Bubba was for racism, I'd say axe em, but that's just my two cents.
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I wouldn't and agree with you.
(Except about Charlotte and Huntress part, but that's just me.)
BHVR should deal with the issue appropriately and not as a cop-out like last time. They should also realize that mistake and remedy it now.
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I think what some people are missing is that having the unknown with their default head with the cheerleader outfit gives the look that a lot of transphobic people use when being transphobic. A person looking like a "man in a skirt/dress" and looking like a monster/freak. Here is what it looks like:
I'm not going to post an example because I don't want to give it any light of day, but you can easily search for right wing political cartoons or just a single drawing of what a trans woman looks like to them. Pretty much a burly man with face stubble and a hairy body wearing a pink dress. For people saying BHVR is not at fault for this, that they can't help what awful people do online - I have to disagree. If they had someone on their team that is in charge of looking out for things like this, it could have been avoided and the outfit would have been set to a locked set. Now I'm not a fan of locked sets so I get getting upset at the thought of it, but in this case - they really need to be locked. It's Bubba wearing Claudette's face all over again. Did they not learn from that?
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So I've been thinking about this topic for the past few days...
My prediction is that The Unknown's female cosmetics will inevitably become sets in order for the masculine voice to not be used with the feminine clothing. It really, really sucks but it's far easier for BHVR to do that and it worked with the Leatherface masks. I wish this didn't have to be the case because I like the blonde cheerleader hair with the garden casual DLC shirt.
They could link the voices with the torsos instead of the heads to keep the feminine voice for the cheerleader uniform, not sure if that would help though.
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