The Game (Gideon Meat Plant)

This map has so many pallets you don't even need to be good at looping you go autopilot droping every pallet and you win the chase pretty much there is no skill involved and you still have some pallets left to drop after, gens spawn close to each other as killer you pretty much break pallets it's a bad gameplay

just this, no need to say more

My biggest gripe is that there are barely any windows and way too many pallets like just yesterday I was playing deathslinger and I got rocked despite me playing near perfectly but there was way too many pallets and all survivors pre-dropped them.

I also hate that the map is inaccurate to the lore of the movies. The bathroom game never took place in Gideon's but in the nerve gas house. If you do plan to change it I would love to see it as John’s operating room in Saw 3 with also the water cube trap if possible.

The Game is a licensed indoors map that stands out for its overwhelming amount of connected safe pallets, it counts with 25 pallets and over 20 of them are either safe or they can be under the right circumstances. Unlike Treatment Theatre and The Underground Complex, the killer powers are not so crippled or conditioned by the excess in line of sight blockers (which are still relevant to an extend) but instead the absurd amount of safe pallets which defines a line between the killers that can contest hits at them and those who can't, as well as those who have tools to break the pallets faster. Some killer powers oriented for out of chase interactions can use powerful strategies in this map to play around the high density of safe pallets.

The area around the bathroom and the control room above it is specially powerful, since the tile generation is quite specific and the bottom floor of the columns (what is on the upper floor is connected to what is on the lower floor) adjacent to bathroom / control room are composed by purely safe pallets of which 2 are guaranteed (the one at the jungle gym and the one below the tile connected to the exit gate) and are very likely to connect with the 2 guaranteed safe pallets next to the bathroom (which could potentially be linked from the control room which counts with 2 more safe pallets that can be looped safely for some time before dropping them). The fixed basement in that area can turn the tables against the survivors given how potentially easy it is to defend.

The generators spawns are very irregular and can have very uneven distribution between the upper and lower floor, which can cause many dead ends downstairs (since there is always a sliding door blocking the path next to gens) where survivors can't identify them from afar. The excess of generators in the same floor can also create favorable perimeters of generators as well as powerful to defend hooks.

While it may seem less apparent, there is still some skill expression for the survivors to show, since the map counts with a very limited amount of window vaults (only 7, and 2 of them don't get used most trials) and wiser killer players will bounce between survivors to drain the resources until there are several deadzones where survivors have no pallets left. The more proficient survivors are able to avoid spending the pallets as quickly and also use the lower floor's line of sight blockers more aggressively against those killers that excel at dealing with the safe pallets; as well as switching floors at the more convenient times to counter other killer powers. This is not a justification for the map's flaws but rather a reminder that even some of those killers that would normally perform well in the map can also struggle.

The upper floor counts with a very poor distribution of lockers. The hook density can sometimes be very awkward and cause a wiggle out with minimal interventions from other survivors.

Other than the lockers upstairs, the weird hook density and the inconsistent distribution of generators between floors, the issues of the map all revolve around the high amount of connectable safe pallets and the lack of interactive chases they produce, weakening some of the pallets and replacing some with windows would be the ideal approach, but that is easier to say than to implement, given that the map is licensed and may not count with the freedom that other maps have.

Becomes killer sided? When all the pallets are gone all gens have popped lmao

I actually voted killer sided and I've been voting survivor sided on most. It's easy to play as a beginner survivor for sure because everything is spelled out for you but as you get better at the game, the map does get more killer sided. Eventually those pallets do run out if they aren't used wisely and then it's all dead zones. If the killer guards the right areas and generators, it can get very nasty very quickly. Doesn't matter if there are 17 god pallets if only 6-10 of them are ever used. Though of course certain builds and killers do much better then others. Plus basement is extremely strong for killer and is guaranteed to be in one spot.

There aren't many god windows here at least which are the most survivor sided thing of survivor sided maps.

Regardless whether its survivor or killer sided though it's a horrible map with minimal skill expression. Basically plays itself. That's what really matters. Map badly needs to be changed.

Most of them are survivor sided a few are balanced, though the word they should use is even, balanced implies fine which some are not. Rancid I believe I voted killer sided and a few others where the numbers agreed with it. I'm 70-30 killer in terms of game time.

I guess I don't groan inwardly when I get this map as killer compared to Lery, Badham, Haddonfield, Garden of Joy and others. The game is an utterly broken map which is what really matters and maybe I should have looked at the vote first because if they check which way the vote is leaning to determine how broken a map is rather then reading comments well... I should just vote with the majority.

On a personal level I do okay here. I play various killers. I guess because I don't commit to chase that much, I'll break the god pallet and redefend. I don't run slowdowns and tend to use silly perks like mad grit+agi. I use surveillance a lot though, so I 'know' when to drop a chase because a generator is being repaired. I know I'm not good in prolonged chases so I avoid them and play to my strengths. I guess I don't play to win as much as some do but I guess I always thought that better killers would often defend well here and just break all the good pallets and ignore the rest, they would still win. Perhaps I'm wrong. In this case though its irrelevant. Map is broken either way.

My comment asploded when I tried to edit it, but there are 7 window vaults. One at the top of the meat tube, one in the freeze, one in the room above the bathroom, one by an exit gate (pretty rarely used), a TL wall has 2 in one of the corners that swaps positions with a staircase, and another one in a pallet gym that can spawn on one of the edges

I like this map.

Don´t understand all the hate for the indoor maps. I think they are sometimes more interesting than the usual outdoor maps.

I also don´t get this map super often to play on.

And - this is a great map for a lot of tome challenges.

This map is monstrously killer-dependent. On killers with strong pallet counterplay or those who excel in small maps (either through their power, or benefitting largely from aoe-centric perks like Surge), it's incredibly killer sided. But on killers who lack those truths, it's so incredibly survivor sided that it might as well auto-0k.

Add to that the issue where going down downstairs lategame makes an escape impossible, a fairly confusing and samey layout and issues with gen discoverability (sure, there's the gates that have connected gens but it'd be nice to add the more traditional lights-based marker for incomplete gens on here too), and the map could really do with a lot of changes.

Seconding that I love when activated generators DO something. Opening the large sliding doors on Gideon, opening the trapdoors on the gallows on Dead Dawg, opening the gate beneath the main building in Temple of Purgation, and opening the sliding portcullises on Grim Pantry are all top tier map design. I’d be very interested in more of that.

If you go against m1 killers you can pretty much pre drop to victory on this map as long as your team mates do the objective go in a group an you can pretty much guarantee a a win against weaker killers. As survivor it's a bit mind numbing we need more interesting 50/50 loops.

This map is ridiculous not only does it spawn upwards of like 25 pallets, also 17+ of them are safe or God pallets... Sure the map does not really have windows, but the game is basically over when you have to kick that many pallets. Most loops on the map are not playable for the majority of killers, some can do just fine, and for once I would say that not stealth killers have that much of an advantage on this map, just because there is a safe pallet every 5 m. This leads to ridiculous outcomes like having safe pallets like 5 m apart of each other, making it so easy to switch two loops back and forth.

There is just no skill expression for either side. The survivor just runs to the closest pallet, maybe runs around it once or twice and then drops it, and most of the time as killer you should not try to outplay it, but just kick it, as the pallet is so safe the survivor would need to majorly mess up.

I will never understand why people enjoy this map... It is probably the worst map in the game just because of this major design flaw.

Now to the few positive things, it's upstairs is fairly wide open for an indoor map, which is a good thing as you can spot people and use crows and scratch marks from afar. There are fairly many stairs and other ways to go down, leading to much less frustration than on other maps, as you don't have to walk too much to get down or up, at least most of the time, it's not perfect but better than other maps.

As for how to fix it:

- add more windows

- change all loops (there so no reason to have so many super strong pallets that are only meant to be kicked)

- remove some pallets, 25 is just way too many...

And on a side note this map has a great opportunity to add dynamic map design, like give the survivor a side thing to and let them pull a lever for 20 seconds to open or close the big doors, same for killer but quicker, could be super fun if you were able to influence that as both sides, making loops stronger (by not leading into a dead end) or even locking the killer out.

Are you playing a good pallet shredder by any chance? Or do you play killers who benefit from hit and run? Are you only 3-genning? Are you playing Nurse? If the answer is yes to any of those, then you are lucky. But all other M1 killers struggle on this map. Have you ever played as Clown, Pig or Myers on this map? Good luck getting anyone.

I think we don't have to talk about this one. WAY too many (god) pallets, too little windows. Horrible Locker placement. Semi-fixed gates that are always too far apart.

That's pretty much it. Good size, good navigation between the floors.

If the problems I stated are fixed, it could be good.

Playing an M1 killer on this map is literally impossible to catch people unless they run to the few pallets that aren't a god pallet.

Do something with thoose GOD pallets, always the same. Surv sees pallet, survs drops it, (unless you're a top tier killer) killer breaks it, repeat the process, still where ther're no more pallets or the match has already ended.

For what it's worth, I think the fact that Gideon is only comprised of Pallets makes it the most distinct map in the game! (Aside from RPD, which also has only pallets but only has fixed tiles and is incredibly predictable.)

At face value, the amount of pallets can be perceived as a bad thing. (Because normally, from Killer perspective, Pallet = Bad)

However, this feature of the map turns the map incredibly in favor for Killers when they play the map well!

Early game, the map heavily favors Survivors. However, in perfect theming with the Saw franchise, the game begs you to make important choices as Survivor: Every pallet you throw widdles away at your own survival.

Once most of the pallets are chewed up, The Game becomes an absolute death trap because there are almost no window resources to play around as Survivor, and suddenly you're in the most Killer-sided map in the game!

I think it's very awesome that there are two floors to the map that each offer incredibly different styles of gameplay. The top floor is open but risky to play on, and the bottom floor offers line of sight blockers and resources but leaves Survivors incredibly vulnerable to being cut off and mindgames.

Plus, the generators opening doors can be used tactically by Survivors to shape the map how they want it to be shaped!

Gideon Meat Plant is one of the most dynamic maps in the whole game, and it is also the one most rewarding of game knowledge and map awareness: For killers, understanding which strong pallets they need to zone Survivors into early to have a very easy late-game. For Survivors, vice versa: understanding which pallets they can afford to drop when, and making those tactical decisions will make or break not just their own survival, but their teammates' later on.

As a killer I hate this map with a passion. It has way too much junk for survivors to use against the killer.

Okay, I'm confused. How in the world do you think that? Only some killers can play good there, but a high majority of them can't do anything as at least fairly good survivors go to pallet after pallet after pallet, on and on.

Used to be killer sided and they just sprinkled god pallets all over. It's just running to safe pallet simulator, no gameplay. Maybe give it a Hawkins treatment, more pallets but all unsafe. Having to string loops together