Ultimate Weapon is fine

Its not fine.

In fact, its a bad perk. BBQ/Nowhere to hide are far better, no cooldown, and give aura reading in much better situations.

I never said didnt Eruption have the #1 usage rate. I said “not every Killer was running it.” A 22% pick-rate is not every Killer. My point being that even if something is meta or the best out there, usage rate is not the best way to determine it since there will always be people who run other things or opt into other options depending on their playstyle.

Also I wouldn’t count Ultimate Weapon as anti-meta.

Distortion is not “meta,” it isn’t the most efficient tactic possible, blocking Aura Reading can be nice but there are better perks and more effective ways of playing the game; likewise Windows of Opportunity is not “meta,” since most people who use it are new players or SoloQ players requiring the information.

Meta’s are defined by WHY people run the perk, not HOW MANY run the perk, the distinction between the two is abundantly obvious since things can be popular but not necessarily be efficient.

Tell me with total seriousness buckle up + For the People is balanced because it doesn't show up in the top 10 anywhere. Usage rate is such a terrible argument for balance

“Countering slugging” is when the Killer downs a Survivor and the other Survivor uses FTPBU while the Killer is in the hit recovery animation...

All jokes aside, For The People and Buckle Up isn’t used for slugging since if the Killer is slugging you would not need For The People. This combo is just to instantly undo the Killer’s work in their face and to put them into lose/lose situation (i.e. if you hit the healthy Survivor, the person you were chasing gets distance; if you down the Survivor, your work gets undo and both Survivors get 10 seconds of Endurance).

I don’t see why people defend For The People + Buckle Up as if it isn’t a busted perk combo. (Likewise, Idk why people defend busted perk combos on Killer either.)

thats why the devs have problems fixing the game percent picked means nothing its the combos that work on perks. just like ftp+bu

"This combo is just to instantly undo the Killer’s work in their face and to put them into lose/lose situation" And most killers don't do that already by trying to tunneling the weak link out because they can't get downs fast enough i not saying it balanced but it is the only current counter to tunneling in dbd so until their a counter for tunneling that any better than that i don't see why it should go it no that bad and everyone knows OTR and DC are complete trash in the current state even dead hard is trash i mean if dead hard was back to the way it was or even token based for each gen that pooped so u could get more use out of it i think you would see a back off of FTP+BU plus they have to sacrifice 2 perk slots as well as the time they are not on a gen trying to FTP it just helps the killer and hinder the survivors really on top it is base kit for killer they don't have to sacrifice any perk slots to tunnel some out and make the match almost guaranteed to be in their favor and i can tell you over 70% of killers tunnel the weak like almost every game then they have to hide and have no other choice but to do so i mean that why their so many hiding survivors now a day it just killer try's to tunnel some out in 7 minutes then the games over with the game need to be better balance around chase and not about tunneling the first person you see (BTW all of this is not point toward anyone in particular i just saying the way the state of dbd is right now because it quite bad to be honest) their hasn't been a survivor buff in over a years it just the devs trying to kick killers out of boring playstyles that are unbearable to go against like the anti-face camp and ant 3 gen system they are not killer nerfs nor are they survivor buff they are system put in place to stop those particular playstyles from happening

First, you say camping and slugging. Now, you say tunneling. You are moving the goalpost.

Also like, I dont tunnel, I dont camp, and I only slug to avoid flashlight saves. Ive had many people use For The People and Buckle Up on my downs with basically no counterplay for me. Your argument that "it's fine since it counters a playstyle" does not account for the fact that this perk combo extends beyond that.

If For The People and Buckle Up made tunneling impossible but affected no other aspects of the game, I wouldnt complain, hell, Id be happy even, but the fact that it extends beyond that is what upsets me, it's just anti-fun.

"Just hit the other Survivor," did you not read my reply from earlier?

If I down the Survivor I am chasing, the other Survivor will instantly use For The People and Buckle Up to ensure that both Survivors get away with no consequences. If I hit the Survivor with FTPBU, the Survivor I was chasing makes a massive amount of distance. This perk combo puts the Killer into a lose/lose situation.

Also what do you mean by "just wait out the timer"?

What timer? The bleedout timer? When they can just pick up? Or are you talking about the Endurance? Which waiting it out would be pointless since they have 10 whole seconds and 40 whole meters that they can use to reach a pallet or loop?

Also Idk how you can make the argument that "90% of Killers perks cant be countered" when:

• 1. Most perks can be countered, it's not the game's fault that you dont understand the counterplay for most perks
• 2. Perks that dont have meaningful counterplay (but have incredibly strong effects) should be changed regardless of the role to begin with.

And finally... what does Adrenaline have to do with anything Ive said?

I think you are trying to argue against a preconceived notion of what you think I am or opinions you think I have rather than actually acknowledging what Ive been saying. Im not a Killer main. Im not a Survivor main. I play both sides rather evenly and do my own thing bc apparently that is a hard concept for people to understand.

You can respond if you want. Im not dragging this on further beyond this and I will not respond. We have diverged too far from the subject of the original post.

My issue with it is how free it is, combined with how long it lasts.

also I don’t understand what the idea behind the locker search is. It seems arbitrary.

UW might be the best overall detection perk. But against a good team you're wasting time opening lockers only to see them screaming on gens. That's why i think UW is more a solo stomper as it breaks a lot of surv aura perks (Windows, Bond, Kindred, etc.) which leads to confusion when it comes to unhooks. And yes, as OP mentionend some killers def have better usage of the perk.

Real chads are using UW on Pig. <3

I mean, by this metric empty perk slots are some of the best loadout choices you can make... There is much more that goes into pickrate than the objective strength of the choices. After all, the strongest killers do not have the highest global pickrates, either. For one big thing, relative strength is usually a much more important variable in these global stats, specifically meaning the difficulty of using something as compared to its strength. Things that are easy to use and yet still strong are much more favoured and perform much better on average than things that may be objectively stronger but harder to use, because the average player is not very skilled or smart at the game.

Even ignoring whether Nightlight is an accurate source for this kind of thing (their perk usage rates usually have at least been more accurate than their kill rates, but there are still notable discrepancies and they still don't use killer-submitted data for this either), pickrate is not a great measure of strength. Self-Care, Deja, Windows, Distortion, BBQ, Surge, Brutal Strength, Enduring, they're all top picks statistically but they're just decent perks at best, they're not strong or let alone problematically strong. Likewise, some of the strongest most-used perks are not necessarily in need of adjustments either, pickrate is even less of a measure of how "problematic" the strength of a perk is. Yet from your reasoning that pickrate determines whether a perk is fine or not, surely you must think the top 5 perks are all problematic and need changes?

Ultimate Weapon specifically is a fairly recent licensed perk from a chapter that is also more expensive than the average licensed chapter. There are also killers that do not benefit from it as much due to having small or no terror radii. It is also not easy for newer and intermediate players to use because where auras tell them precisely where a survivor is and what they are doing and can allow them to get the jump and easy hits on them, the scream ping requires the killer player to still do a bit more of their own thinking and tracking. Not only that, but since the survivor knows they have been revealed, the dynamic is different from aura perks that are more insidious. Good killer players however don't care if the survivor knows they have been revealed: they outplay the survivor in chase, they don't need to get surprise hits. I would also assume that a lot of players (and again especially newer/intermediate players) gravitate toward perks like BBQ and Nowhere To Hide because they happen naturally as they do things they would otherwise be doing too, such as hooking survivors and kicking gens. Opening lockers does not come naturally to most, it is not part of the normal gameplay loop.

UW is absolutely problematically strong in the hands of a competent player. Game sense is such an important skill, and UW replaces a good portion of it. You don't need to know survivor spawns or the patterns of how survivors behave in the early game, you can just open a locker. You don't need to know which gens would be opportune to contest or defend and spend time going to them to check whether someone's repairing them, open a locker. You don't have to know about hiding spots and evaluate whether checking them is worth the time investment in a specific scenario, just locker. You don't need to have an insight into where sensible reset locations could be, locker does it. You don't need to consider various things to decide whether and how hard to proxi-camp, locker tells you. You don't need to anticipate the movements and hiding spots of a recently-unhooked survivor to tunnel them out, locker guides you. You don't have to weigh the risks of committing to a chase or snuffing out reset locations in a 3-gen scenario, the locker knows it.

Apart from it being "game sense" in perk slot form, other problems include the fact that its interaction interruption synergizes with various other perks and abilities in powerful ways, such as Dead Man's Switch, Hex perks, RBTs, that stealth which this perk all but does away with is integrally important to newer and intermediate survivor players that can't lead chases, and integrally important at any level against killers that nobody can reliably lead chases against (primarily of course Nurse, Blight and Spirit), and that its Blindness hampers the already low level of coordination particularly in solo groups, where not seeing the auras of slugged and hooked survivors as well as not having the help of things like Bond and Kindred can be game-deciding. It can also be said that UW encourages and supports camping and tunnelling because it literally screams at its user "there are people here, don't go away", or "the injured survivor is right there". As well as slugging for the 4k, an unfortunate gameplay aspect that long should have been rebalanced that many players however fortunately don't regularly employ because it's boring for everyone involved, spending minutes on the floor/hiding/searching - with UW on the other hand, you can fairly reliably find the last survivor standing, so if someone has the perk equipped it is much more likely they will slug for the 4k. It also makes the 1V1 endgame scenario that is likewise an unfortunate gameplay design aspect that should long have been improved be tilted even more in the killer's favour, where with UW in play escape is essentially impossible unless hatch basically spawns next to the survivor.

Luckily we don't have to debate whether UW is in need of attention, BHVR has already included it on the roadmap. It's actually comically obvious from that fact that BHVR knows it is problematic and intended for it to be, putting it on the roadmap right after release but giving it a few months for people to buy the chapter. It's the Made For This-equivalent, having a pointedly too powerful effect for next to no investment, and then another strong effect and ridiculous synergies on top just to make sure it really is over-the-top powerful.