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Why don't survivors surrender themselves to the killer after the killer's had a bad trial?
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When I let the killer sacrifice me it’s more of a thank you, and not a pity Bc I know those killers need to be buffed, but they still gave it their best go.
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This story is more about a killer being nice to me, I kept him in chase for three and a half gens (not counting my two times on hook) I T-bagged so he would chase me and in the end he carried me towards the gate and let me go despite my toxic behavior. I honestly never understood it, he walked out with a 0k, most would’ve loved killing the toxic T-bagger.
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So basically you’re saying, “Thanks for giving this low-tier Killer a shot instead of going for The Nurse or The Spirit. Here’s a consolation prize.”
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More like thanks for not playing like an absolute monster going for a snowball and trying to play fair despite the fact that you can’t play fair with these killers against a good team. So it’s not a prize, it’s a you did your best.
Kind of like when killers go for the guy stealthing around when it comes to hatch and not going for the only person they see still trying to do gens when it comes down to 2 people. It’s not an I’m better than you, it’s just a nice gesture Bc they gave it their best shot
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Just a thought that came into my mind, because the Posts and Threads of the OP are pretty one-sided.
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I try to do it from time to time. In most cases, the killer doesn't want the kill and carries me to the exit gate.
Also, I can only do it when the situation allows it: My teammates must have left (so nobody goes for a rescue attempt) and the killer must be close to me. If I would spend time on looking for the killer, they would probably think I only want to troll.
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Honestly I feel its because the survival scoring category needs a serious rework. making it out of the trial alive is 5k in an 8k category that is near impossible to get points in otherwise, unless very specific conditions allow it (certain killer powers, shaking free off the killer's shoulder, etc.) So that said even if the survivor got a perfect 8k in the other 3 categories, they'd be looking at 24k BP if they die. With killer on the other hand, you can have a game with 0 kills and still end up with more than 24k, capping the other 3 categories while having the sacrifice category over 4k if you 2 hooked everybody. Not only that, but since BBQ is tied directly to said hooks, the payout would be even higher based on that alone.
At the end of the day, its a bigger point sacrifice in a category that can't be made up otherwise for survivors than it is for killers. I guess you could pair that with the fact that most killers willing to spare survivors likely play both sides, while most survivors who taunt bad killers likely never play killer.
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I dunno dude.. as the killer I'm in control of the game so I get to decide who dies and who survives (to a point obviously) I like to praise them for good surviving, like if they're the last survivor but it's about to be their first hook I would instead put them by the hatch to crawl out.
But as a survivor I'm surviving! I ain't giving them pity sacrifices.. surely it's like popping a dummy in their mouth n telling them it's gonna be ok. It's not going to be ok.. you need to learn how to kill more efficiently it's so enjoyable once you do!
Praise good behaviour not bad ;-)
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Which is all well and good, but survivors only have a single set of core mechanics to juggle, and consistent stats. There are 14 killers (and growing) who all play differently and have different speeds/heights/TRs/etc. Some people only get killers for their perks and then constantly get dailies for said killer and have to continuously fail at them since there is no practice mode in the game. Its not as bad for M1 killers since they all have a lot of similarities in playstyle (even if limiting,) but for killers like the nurse/hag/huntress it can be a pretty big change to get stuck with.
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Let me know when you've read the OP.
After three years, I've seen more survivors send out death threats and general vitriol than I have survivors be nice. Sorry if I don't buy it.
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I do it from time to time if I notice map RNG was crap against them. Every single time though, the Killers will always refuse to hook me and gently carry me to the hatch.
As Killer, I have never experienced it actually.
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survivors have given themselves up so the killer can have at least 1 kill. killers have let a survivor go through hatch because of various reasons. both only happen occasionally. its like asking "why don't killers use no addons?" some do, its just not something that's common, and not something you should expect from everybody
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I've never experienced it either, but many people here swear vehemently that it's happened to them. Being let go through the hatch, on the other hand, has happened to me several times. Given that there are four survivors to every killer, I can only conclude survivors in my area are particularly undeserving of the hatch, since they won't repay the favor. That's why I'm gonna stop giving any of them the hatch.
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@Orion I'd say it happened to me as a killer less than 10 times since I started playing DbD.
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And how many free hatches?
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@Orion Probably hundreds.
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I'm really not. Everyone may not agree with all my comments all the time (there's over 8000 by now, so it's not surprising), but I don't make bait threads.
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You don't know that. And let's not forget, killers usually play for kills, not pips (cue everyone who doesn't play for kills).
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Well the same is true for survivors sometimes, as @Gorgonia said they don't care about surviving but play for pips. As a killer I play for kills and pips and bp of course but I also will just go farm some games.
From playing both sides i understand the frustration both sides feel and so I play accordingly. I don't get any satisfaction out of destroying a bunch of potatoes and 4king instantly. If it's a bunch of complete noobs I'll play with them so they can learn how to play better.
Afterwards I'll give them pointers on how to play better and if it's a baby killer i'll try and help them as well. I've made friends that way and even did kyf with some to show them some tricks with killers.
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I have been giving away hatch escapes lately because of flawed matchmaking. Like, I have done it 3 times today already, one of which I even waited for a Meg to 0-100 two gens (after maxing out Deviousness and Hunting as Clown) because I felt really guilty.
Being given the hatch (outside those times the Killer doesnt accept the free kill), I have seen it happen a lot (to me and others). That said, I wont complain. There is a strong lack of toxic Survivors and campers in my region.
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In 2 years of playing this game I have not been given a single kill at all survivors expect special treatment free pass if you just got off the hook. Hook someone go to the other side of the map and count to 10 seriosly some survivors would expect to be given a free escape if three were dead and 5 gens were left. but they cry on anything that a killer does to make it challenging for them.
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My friend and I have done it before, especially if the killer allowed us to live/farm when we use BPS or someone doesn't load into the game. Once we get a good amount of point we just let them kill us.
Now we just have a rave party at the gate until the timer ends and we all get impaled. Much more fun now!
I give hatch as killer to survivors who played very well but had a crappy team. It's hard for survivors to do that because if the killer played well he could've just killed them to begin with. Also the difference in BP between surviving (5K) and Killing one person (800 fo last hook plus death) simply makes surrendering as survivor not worthwhile.
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I give no mercy and expect none in return
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Actually, I've had a few survivors give themselves up to me after I've had a bad trial.
Most of the time though, the ones who do give themselves up are the ones who's team DC'd and I let them farm and open the exit.
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Old thread - but survivor escaping is worth 5K-7k, that's a significant chunk of BP out of the 10-15k average a survivor could expect, while killers enjoy a much higher BP return usually 20K-30k even if they let someone escape. For the same amount of time spent in a trial.
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I did it once but not anymore cause all killers I go against are d bags
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Haha, yeah. I did it once with a clown and just got BM'ed face camped and continually hit while on the hook.
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That's a good question. I ask myself the same thing sometimes but then I remember that a lot of survivor mains have weak egos and believe dumb crap about what it's like to play as/against killers so much so they believe that if they die it's always the killer doing something wrong. If I see that a killer struggled in game, I offer myself to them but usually they don't let me do it and they just want me to leave the trial, so that could probably also be why some survivors don't do it, they probably expect the killer to just make them leave anyway.
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I've seen it various times after the birth of End Game.
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I've done it plenty of times.
50/50 they throw me into the exit gate anyway.
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It is insane to expect survivors to "surrender" themselves so the poor killers feelings don't get hurt. A pity kill doesn't do much to help with the killers self esteem after a bad loss anyway does it? Besides, one kill is worth like 1000 to 2000 bloodpoints to the killer (including hits to down survivor), but an escape is worth 5000 bloodpoints to the survivor. Why would a survivor give up 5000 bloodpoints to give a killer 1000 bloodpoints? Especially considering that bloodpoints are harder to earn on a survivor.
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I’ve tried this plenty of times, the Killers are usually too kind and don’t want to sacfrifice.
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There was a genuinely nice Freddy player, only my friend and I spawned in, two people, so we did our stuff, got scared until we realized they weren't farming, just being kind, nodding and all, we chased them around, they tried to make us leave, but we wanted to be killed, I led them down to the basement, signaled for them to hook me, the Freddy tried taking us to the gate but we wanted death, he unhooked to get the Freddy some BP, they deserved some too, and now after that match, that person became one of my best friends that I commonly play with today. She joined into our little DBD friend group, bunch of girls and me as the only dude.
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During DBP, not farming mind you, I went up to the killer to let him hook me after the fifth gen was repaired. My intention was to give him 2 hooks. He hadn't caught anyone. Well he killed me, and all the other survivors that tried to save my life. I was clearly trying to get away after the second hook. Also, Jendenise does this all the time when a killer gets wrecked. Most of the time they shake their head and smack the exit gate, asking her to leave.
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Oh yeah, one more point. A lot of times when the killer gives a survivor the hatch, it isn't done as an act of pure benevolence. I've done it many times as a killer trying to slow the rate that I get to rank 1. So while I'm sure most the survivors appreciated the gesture, it was also an act of self interest on my part. I'm sure that I'm not the only killer to have done it for this reason either. I'm sure plenty of survivors have sacrificed themselves to killers to de-pip or slow their rate of rank climbing too.
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It is rare but it happened a few times to me, when too many people dc, and i spare and farm with them.
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I guess this isn't even close to the actual topic, but about surrendering...
Does any other Killer just flip the Exit Gate Switch as soon as they can?
I never liked endgame, but i like EGC aesthetically.
Once i got nothing to do or don't mind wasting time, i trigger EGC and just go to these forums or watch some YouTube stuff.
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Pity kill is more humiliating than 0 kills.
No matter how you would like to explain this, it sends message: oh poor baby, here take some so you won't cry into pillow tonight.
Your intentions don't matter, this is message you send after ######### game. If you all were farming - only exception to the above.
Giving hatch after multiple dcs is the same basically, but 2-3 man trials are just unfair, while 4/1 match, ######### for killer or not is still more fair.
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Looks like 12 (when i write this) people don't like you just questioning Survivors why they don't do it.
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People have done it for me a few times, but generally I prefer they not do that as it actually makes me feel worse mentally. I'd rather they just escape and be on to the next game.
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As a killer I never kill anyone, and when I play as survivor I always allow the killer to kill me if everyone escape. Have fun anyway
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I have given my life a few times end game, kinda feel bad Them
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I have on occasion let the killer kill me after a bad trial. I only do so if I'm not carrying anything valuable I want to take home, and only when the killer was a good sport and didn't tunnel or face camp. Funny thing is, when I do, usually the killer picks me up and throws me to the hatch anyway. One good turn deserves another, I guess.
I think it's rare because it's impossible to communicate to the group to turn everyone in (unless you in SWF I guess) and survivors tend to have a herd mentality.
Further, you need to look at the economy of it. It's heavily favoring the killer. If the trial went bad for the survivors usually that means killer killed everyone before any gens popped and Killer already amassed 25k bloodpoints or so. So giving one survivor a mercy hatch of 7k is no big deal to the killer, he just loses out on an extra 1k BP.
But if Survivor gives himself up he usually has only earned some 10k blood points, and gives up 5k bloodpoints, unless he was the MVP of the match and got racked up some 15k-ish or more BP before the escape (which is very rare).
Giving up that 5k BP from the escape is a huge deal if you're trying to amass BP.
So in short, if a Killer gives the last survivor Mercy, he gives up less than 5% of his BP. If a Survivor does it, he gives up about 50% of his BP. So you can see why Survivors are more hesitant to do it.
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