Boons should be buffed

Yea these type of perks will either be useless or too strong. COH is still pretty great for group resets, but avg solo queue player doesn't think to heal really fast when 3+ are injured.

Breaking everything down to they all give value to the team is a bit disingenuous. So what if we made DS give its effect to all survivors if just one person ran it? Both are giving value to the whole team? Hyperbolic but the point is the “amount” of value given to the team per perk slot. There’s a difference between giving the whole team value from one person running it and the whole team getting the perk from one person running it.

Yes secondary objectives would be good for survivors. Calling lighting boom a secondary objective though is like calling following the killer around for head on plays a secondary objective. True, but a stretching of the phrase. Plus as we said, everyone’s not lighting booms, it’s one person.

A true secondary objective would be like if NOED was base kit so people were required to do totems. Or if they added parts you had to apply to a gen.

I think that boons are underrated, for the most part.

CoH and Exponential are still really good.

Shadow Step can also be very useful.

Illumination is meh.

And Dark Theory should be an Invocation.

But they would be great with some buffs (extending the range with more boons in your loadout, not being so loud...)

your going over hypothetical perk that do not exist. I am saying that the boon perk slots cost the slot of the individual using. for example, if 1 person runs 4 boons, that player is perkless because all their perks are often not the most useful perks on a selfish level. selfish perks are often superior because they provide value indirectly value to the team.

it is like comparing Dwight leader perk vs Claudette Botany knowledge perk. In theory, Leader gives entire team 25% healing for total of 75% healing increase but in practice, the selfish botany knowledge perk is more useful then Leader.

Plus as we said, everyone’s not lighting booms, it’s one person.

One person not doing generators is an early game 3vs1. booning right now is practically throwing the game. It is like giving killer 15-30 seconds of free incapacitated debuff over and over. the killer spends a negligent amount of time to remove the boon and in many cases, they have no reason to cleanse the boon because whatever boon is doing is nothing or irrelevant. Now a days, Booning is only used for bp farming. you can farm boldness BP by finding 2 totems and re-booning to max out boldness category.

A true secondary objective would be like if NOED was base kit so people were required to do totems. Or if they added parts you had to apply to a gen.

A secondary objective is an objective that is not repairing a generator. Secondary objectives do not need to be 100% killer sided. A survivor is more inclined to do said objective if said objective provides a benefit for them completing the objective. Otherwise the secondary objective will be ignored. Chests are great example of secondary objective but barely anyone is doing them because rewards are irrelevant.

Boons create a secondary objective for the killer though. If they are too strong, the reality is, that the value survivors gain from them is more than the value it takes for them to place the boon and that's not even factoring in the time the killer spends getting rid of it.

You have to know where the boon is, spend time walking over to it, then "fiddle" around because the prompt is so finnicky you end up fiddling with it for 2-3 seconds before you get it to come up, then you need to stomp it which takes 1 second.

In total, even if you knew exactly where the boon is, you are probably spending at least 15-20 seconds removing the boon, but now factor in that survivor time is multiplied by 4 and you see the problem.

I would say boons need a complete rework:

• Make boons map wide (yes map wide)
• Killer now sees the aura of boons when within 24 meters of them (similar to noed).
• Killer now gets a notification showing WHAT boon the survivors have put up (just like hexes for survivors)
• Boons now have 5 tokens on them, you spend 1 token to bless a totem
• Blessing over a hex totem spends 2 tokens.
• Blessing a hex now takes the same amount of time as normally cleansing a hex
• When the killer breaks a boon it breaks the totem (creates synergy with pentimento)
• Survivors can "build" and bless a totem that is broken by spending 2x the time. (but still 1 token)
• Fix the prompt/hitbox of it so the killer can just be roughly close to it and you "lock onto" the totem like how the current "pallet vacuum" works (yes i know current pallets are nothing like old pallet vacuum, but they do a little bit, you know what i mean)

With all of that, boons would now be in a much better state to be strong. The amount of time it takes the killer to remove the boon is roughly equal to the amount of time it takes the survivor to do it (because they generally know where it is) Boons aren't effectively permanent (survivors can't just have them up all the time and keep setting them up). Killers can now break the totem completely which forces the survivor to spend more time to redo the blessing if they can't find another totem or if its in a spot far away from gens for example. And it creates synergy with pentimento. Boons are now map wide so you don't have to worry about radius.

Also yes, this means that technically, a survivor can avoid spending 2 tokens blessing over a a hex by breaking the hex and then building a boon, but that is intentional, because they can take 15 seconds to cleanse the hex and bless the totem for 2 tokens, or they can spend 1 token, but spend 45 seconds doing that, during which the killer knows they just cleansed a hex there and didn't put a boon up, making it quite risky.

Now they can go and buff the various strengths of the boons (not COH though) and they will be in a much better state for both sides i think.

The problem right now is boons should work like hexes. High risk, high reward. You spend a lot of time getting them setup (that is the risk) but they are strong, but if the killer keeps breaking them, you lose your perk forever. But right now they are like the opposite of hexes. They are perks that you have to setup, but can do so an infinite number of times, and thus they are weak.

Boons create a secondary objective for the killer though. If they are too strong, the reality is, that the value survivors gain from them is more than the value it takes for them to place the boon and that's not even factoring in the time the killer spends getting rid of it.

that is one my points that I was talking to blueberry. You don't need cleanse boon to win the match. cleansing the boon is suppose to be low cost investment from killer.

The problem right now is boons should work like hexes. High risk, high reward. You spend a lot of time getting them setup (that is the risk) but they are strong, but if the killer keeps breaking them, you lose your perk forever. But right now they are like the opposite of hexes. They are perks that you have to setup, but can do so an infinite number of times, and thus they are weak.

boon are not meant to be high risk, high reward. they're meant to be mild risk for mild reward. I like to compared to scourge hook perks where you invest time to get a situational effect that might come into play at some point the match. For killer, it is more like extra walk time to get to specific hooks to activate an effect although risk is that sometimes survivor can bodyblock you and you wiggle off or cursed hook are in like a very bad spot. Your not going to equip saboteur as survivor and just sabo hooks to prevent killer from using SC. Virtually nobody on killer is going equip shattered hope and go boon hunting to destroy boons. that concept is just silly.

A boon is suppose to be that i put a totem down and maybe if killer hooks someone with bbq and you happen to near shadowstep, the perk does something. It is like this random reward. right now, the odds of getting value from a boon is too impractical. the area is just too small. It is like having 1 scourge hook spawn instead of 4 scourge hook spawns.

The perks that your talking about which are going be high risk, high reward, game-changing effects are new set of perks called invocation perks. these perks are…. scary to put it mildly. You spend 2 minutes time to channel this ultimate ability and supposedly… when you finished changeling this ultimate ability, you get some game-changing instant-win effect. These perk apparently have "drawbacks" to make them "high risk" but I cannot imagine the negatives being too great. either way, the mechanic is in its infancy. I have no clue what kind of game-changing effects are going come from these perks but I cannot see anything positive for killer coming from this mechanic.

I think one of the core problems with boons is that the survivor can run multiple boon perks combined. This creates an awful scenario for balancing. There is no way you can balance the idea of something like Dark Theory being strong enough to run on its own at the same time as balancing it to be run with three other abilities.

If I was looking at reworking it: I'd limit survivors to a single boon perk if they run one and balance perks around that. This could also mean each boon could have more variables - a weak effect might have a larger area or a quicker set up, for example.

I think boons are fine as they are, they created a whole host of problems in the past and it took a lot of adjustments to correct that. I don't want to see a return to those days

That's hexes, they are very different than boons.