Freddie should never get a buff

I could make an argument that Freddy is the worst killer in the game right now below Trapper

Well, I presume this reply was directed towards me. No comment has been quoted, but so far I'm the only Freddy main in the thread.

And I gotta say, there is some context missing here. Granted, it was because I did not provide it, but here we go:

If Freddy had always been the way he currently is, I don't think I would've mained him, despite my love for the character and the ANOES franchise. But I first started playing DBD in 2018, and back then Freddy was a very unique killer, completely different from the version we have today.

He was my favorite killer in the entire game, and it is my love for the character and for his original power that motivates me to main him. Because his current power is weak, and it definitely has issues. You can read one of my threads about it, if you want to:

Trust me, Freddy desperately needs help.

Killers don't want fair games. Winning most of the matches are not enough.

My point is that Freddy wins most of his matches and Freddy mains probably do even better. Wanting him buffed despite survivors having a low chance of escaping is just not fair game balancing.

Any killer is good against the average survivor, as the average survivor is bad at the game. That is okay too and while I found this thread funny I actually don't want to see Freddy buffed either as I am okay with him being bottom tier. Someone has to be afterall and I don't miss the days of forever Freddy

All of you except of the freddy have to be insanely bad to a point where it's not even funny anymore. It's really easy to complete at least 3 gens, if you can't do that against an freddy he was obviously just much better at playing killer than you are at playing survivor.

His teleport isn't really good, his traps are countered by shift-w and even if you stay you just have to play safe AND his dreampalettes are easily found out if you look under the palette. So he barely has any power.

He needs a buff for sure, and before you come with "you're a freddy-main", no I'm not, I'm maining something between huntress, blight, unknown and chucky xD

for me Freddy is balanced, for others not, i believe it needs a rework, not buff, @GeneralV and @Szarman made great suggestions about this.

BHVR actually has Freddy listed as one of the strongest killers which could be attributed to him being easy to use or just a little too strong actually. There is so much to look at. How much does a Freddy Main win?

I don't understand the reasoning in saying the teleport being weak. He can literally relocate to any gen which is the survivor objective.

Let's remember to keep the discussion civil, please. You can disagree, or agree to disagree, but please keep responses constructive, and respectful of others, and their opinions. Thank you.

Well, that doesn't mean the buff was in good faith. It made no sense to me for pig to be buffed if pig had no problems winning.

If we go about kill rates, then why don't we buff Nurse? Or why did we ever nerf her? Her kill rate is usually not that impressive compared to all other killers, yet so many of us seem to believe that Nurse is actually pretty good. Weird.

Kill rates do not paint a full picture. They only show that MMR, players, perks, maps and killer powers in combination resulted in certain numbers. Especially MMR is important here. Because MMR won't allow you to get anywhere where you lose all the time. Meaning, it's possible for a terribly weak killer (let's say Nurse without blinks) to still have a decent kill rate because they will only play against survivors that are on a level they can actually compete with. And let's be honest, Nurse without a power would definitely not be balanced.

That's a funny question. Would you believe me, if I said I had a 40% kill rate with Freddy? Would you believe me, if I said I had a 80% kill rate with Freddy? In order to answer your question sufficiently, we would need to provide proof, or else your bias (or own for that matter) would mean, that the answer could be discredited. And even then, that proof could easily be argued to be insufficient. No answer to your question would please you, unless it affirms your bias.

My response above also applies to you. Kill rates cannot really be used as a measure of balance anymore. Especially not with MMR because the matchmaking will correct anything out of the ordinary in due time. However because the individual killer MMR of a player is not completely unrelated to their MMR on different killers, we can sometimes make an educated guess that people struggle with the difficulty of a killer (when the numbers are way lower than they should be). That is not the case for Freddy though.

Anyone could play him and they wouldn't be confused with his power or waste time figuring it out. He is a very basic killer with not much depth and a rather straight forward power for the one playing him (not so much for the ones playing against him). So if you were a Clown main for example and you would switch to Freddy for the first time, chances are you'd perform pretty well because both share a lot basic mechanics. If you were to switch to Nurse however, you would probably struggle a lot because she is a completely different kind of killer.

An argument could also be made that Freddy attracts more experienced killer players than new players simply because he lacks so much originality. Pretty much everything he does, someone else does in better and his power doesn't have a lot of creative uses, so there is not much reason to play him aside from him being Freddy Krueger. Look at @GeneralV for example, who only mains Freddy because he was his favorite killer before the rework almost 5 years ago (you're a trooper, you know that?). Naturally these people would be pretty good at the game and have a lot of experience to utilise. The survivors they play against however, would not have that same experience because as easy as Freddy is to play as and play against, if you know his strengths and weaknesses, he becomes just as hard to play against when you don't.

I can't even remember the last time I played against a Freddy and I only know so much about his power because I like to play him (I guess some part of me likes to suffer?!). But what about the people that don't play him? They might know what his power does but they are likely to lack the experience to know all of his many weaknesses. Sometimes the threat of a power is stronger than the actual power itself.

We see the opposite on Blight. When you just start playing him, you will struggle with his power because it's quite hard to use (the exact opposite of Freddy) but rather straight forward from the survivor's perspective (again, the exact opposite). So naturally bad Blight players will have a harder time. On top of that, you also see that a lot of survivors, even ones that aren't that good otherwise know how to play against Blight simply because they have a lot of practice against him, due to his high pick rate.

There isn't much for me to add here that hasn't already been said, but regarding my post specifically I mentioned some bad matches I was having because I believed they helped to illustrate my complaints about Freddy's current state.

But I was talking about things Freddy players usually see on their trials. And those scenarios, including the possibility of playing without a power, are common.

Therefore, I strongly believe this is the weakest Freddy has ever been. Is it possible to use him effectively? Yes, because you can do the same thing with every other killer in the game.

But the requests for buffs, or preferably a "dework", are 100% justified.

Look at @GeneralV for example, who only mains Freddy because he was his favorite killer before the rework almost 5 years ago (you're a trooper, you know that?)

Thank you, my friend <3

I don't know the precise numbers. I could try and estimate it, but even if I did there is no way for me to prove it.

What I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt is that I don't let people go because I "schooled" them. If I have the opportunity to let someone go (presuming I've won the match) it is always the last survivor, either Hatch or gates.