Okay new Twins update is pretty good

Are they less buggy though?

That great to hear. I figure the QoL change they kept would make them feel little better. It just sucks it took two years and a failed reowrk to get these changes. I may try them but honestly I never really liked twins. They dont have any skins I like and I dont really like their designs or playstyle. I still try them out tho since there is nothing else to do in the game right now….

Twins are definitely S tier material with these changes.

Is it finally time for casual survivor players to realize how insufferable this killer is to go against when played half decently?

is Victor still immune to being kicked when he downs a survivor?

No, he is not immune.

I heard he still glows white after a successful pounce?

Oh interesting, i haven't played as survivor yet, i only played as Twins themselves and nobody was able to kick me when i downed someone

This especially. The cooldown being less than 5 seconds has a massive impact. Victor can still move as well, so you need to be ready to kick him as soon as you see him going for another survivor.

Ironically wasn't all that a result of them mass slugging in the beggining? Leading to aggresive balance updates? I hardly believe they were that clunky on release. I don't quite remember their on release features. But I don't think a 5 second stun was one of them lol.

Correct, the 5 second stun was not on the release. It was added later. Bugs aside, they weren't as clunky on release. Supposedly their reasoning years ago for adding this clunkyness was because Twins was performing too well at high mmr levels even though they were fine everywhere else. Even though basically no one played them then either, so it was a weird statement. I personally see no issue with their slugging, I think it's a valid play style. High risk/high reward, lots of counter play. Their change also did zero in terms of stopping them from slugging, it just nerfed them in general and made them feel bad to play.

Victor is not immune to kicks after downing a survivor despite the white aura misleading you to think so. Also controlling victor himself near a hook does not increase the Anti-Facecamp.

Thats troubling to hear. Ugh…

As someone else said, it's not undocumented, it's intended.

Also they are very beatable and have lots of counter play. The counter play is healing and grouping. Essentially the complete opposite of what most groups want to do, which is stay injured, split up, and spread out. The heals deny her snowball slug potential and group denies chain hits since she gets kicked after every down or miss. Oh and locker jumps as well, she actually has very little time to reach the locker.

10 seconds until Victor can be called back. 10 seconds until Victor is ready again. About 6-8 seconds per hit with Victor (including the switch, position and charge times). Another 5 seconds (optimistic) to catch up with Victor. That adds up 37-41 seconds. After that you still need to switch back to Charlotte and get to that survivor before you pick them up. This puts at about 50 seconds.

It's much faster to get a M1 hit before you switch to Victor.

Btw for those curious before about if you could kick Victor after a successful down, you can. They are not immune on a successful down. I verified.

at least silencing cloth is really good still. the changes are honestly above my expectations. No longer does swf just abuse victor and hold victor for 30 second+regrow time.

"If he gets crushed, he's ready to be unleashed 10 seconds later."

Ignoring the fact that he has to be resummoned all the way back at Charlotte and cross the map again.

"If he hits someone, he is ready to be recalled and unleashed 10 seconds later."

A 10 second wait before recalling, then another delay before resummoning, then you have to recross the map again. There's more to the time than just the cooldown.

" It is true that tournaments restrict healing items and perks, which
makes Twins stronger, but tournament teams are infinitely more
coordinated than any pub group anyone ever meets, and coordination was
their biggest weakness"

I'd argue just really good swf's on coms are stronger than comp teams when you factor in them being allowed to stack all the meta perks and 4 syringes or styptics. I think you're downplaying how very signficantly they are nerfed in comp, it's substantial. Also, in comp they are always playing on maps that are significantly easier for killer. There are many, many more maps in DBD that are way more survivor sided that they completely avoid in comp that we are facing against those just really good swf on coms. Factoring in maps + no item or perk restrictions is substantial.

Twins just haven't been part of the competitive circuit or at least not seen much of any regular play in it for years now. When they were, they were considered top 5, with 4ks being common. They are still in top tier balancing on tournaments now, such as Outrun. I'm surprised League's winter circuit had them that low, but it has to be noted that "tiers" here don't merely denote strength, but mostly what kind of balancing they call for. Twins usually have all healing stuff banned, so that might be why they had them in that low a tier.

The delay before unleashing is negligible if you recall. And you don't always have to cross the map (which however doesn't take a lot of time with Victor either) - if Charlotte unleashed Victor when she was on you the hit will happen quickly and won't allow you to make much distance, and she will be right on you and unleash again. It isn't even about the "10 seconds and he's on the map again" thing strictly though. It's that Victor has no counterplay, he guarantees hits and downs, and that already made them a very strong killer when survivors had the ability to frequently keep Victor out for the count for 30 seconds at a time. That being reduced to 10 seconds is ridiculous.

You are right about them being much more threatening in comp due to the restrictions on means of healing, but I still hold that highly coordinated teams of some the very best players in the game are worlds better than some pub SWF stacking healing perks. And actually meeting a full SWF that brings stuff like We'll Make It, Botany, Circle, 4 med-kits and whatnot is vanishingly rare to begin with.

This is not something I for one think is worth even having an argument over. Just play as or against Twins, or watch streamers do so. It'll be obvious soon enough.

Those addon changes would be nice.

In reference to DH, in the old version you didn't hit them and catch up. You hit them, and then they just turn around and instantly kicked you. That's why I prefer this version.